Agenda – Select Board Agenda May 2 2023

Official Minutes – Plymouth Select Board Minutes 5-2-23

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good evening everyone and welcome to the poem select board May 2nd uh meeting the

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executive board has the select board has been in public session I mean executive

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session since five o’clock and if you would all please stand and

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to the pledge allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America

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under God indivisible with liberty and justice girl

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Charlene

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thank you everyone um our first order of business is a public hearing new seasonal all alcohol club

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license Eel River Beach Club 110 Warren Ave quintal

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in accordance with chapter 138 of the Massachusetts general laws as amended notices hereby given that a public

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hearing will be held at Plymouth Town Hall 26th Court Street on Tuesday May 2nd 2023 at 601 pm to consider the

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application for a new seasonal all alcohol club license from Elvis Beach

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Club Incorporated doing business as Eel River Beach Club 110 Warren Avenue

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as Leah McLean manager description of premises is as follows

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single level concrete structure containing restroom facilities storage closets manager’s office bus service and

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food service Dash kitchen area all Seton is outdoors under a covered patio or an

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open grass area surrounded by Fenton anyone wishing to be heard on this matter should plan to attend this

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meeting

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any questions from from the board and anyone that would like to speak in

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favor or against good evening good evening Stephen

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tripletti attorney for ill River Beach Club chair Betty kovacco members of the board

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I’ll just briefly provide some information uh the IRA Beach Club Inc

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has operated the club since 1945 on Warren Ave in Plymouth Beach there

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they’ve always been a BYOB Club but they’re now applying for the

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seasonal all-alcoholic liquor license to use during their Open Season which lasts

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from approximately June 16th through Labor Day the alcohol will be served from a Windows service area and all

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alcohol will remain within the fenced patio area in a small Second Story deck area and the plan has been attached as

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part of the package that was submitted to the town all the alcohol will be kept and locked in the bar manager’s office

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area shown in the plan and the club has also done all the work necessary there’s

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no further work or construction to be done there’s a food service at the club through a separate window they serve

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burgers and snacks they intend to serve alcohol weekdays 5 PM to 9 pm weekends

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noon to 10 p.m they already have a permit for Amplified music so that’s not part of this application and with me

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this evening to answer questions if necessary would be the president of the club Ashley McLean who seated in the

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second row along with the treasurer Amy Crawford and the full application has

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been presented and we’re available for any questions the board might have

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thank you Mr trafletti does the board have any questions

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hi Steve I know the answer to the question because I know you’re representing them but they understand

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now that now that they have an alcohol license that they can’t bring alcohol on the

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premise that the the patrons yes that is correct they uh because I know for years

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that’s that’s what they did and uh so they understand that people can’t bring coolers and it’s if the ABC came

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in you could get written up and yes in fact they have a private vendor who will be serving the alcohol and we also have

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the liquor liability by your insurance I I know you know that as I just want to make sure thanks yes

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anyone else is there anyone in office you have to go to the podium

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thank you please state your name for the record thank you your name is andine it seems

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to me if the people have been drinking quietly at the club since 1945 without

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having or causing any problems I don’t see it makes perfect sense for the club

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to get a liquor license and completely control the liquor that’s that is used

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and make some money from it if I haven’t been reading in the paper

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that they have bar fights or any problems whatsoever at the club I I

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cannot think of any reason why this shouldn’t be approved

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thank you any opposition we’ll bring it back to the board

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emotional approved second emotion motion by Mr quintal sanketed by Mr

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Fletcher um discussion all those in favor and we’ll be doing

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roll call Mr Blitzer Charlie blett say yes Mr Helm yes

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Mr Mahoney yes Mr quintal yes and myself yes congratulations thank you

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good luck the next order of business is a public hearing alteration of preferences

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premises ochos Cafe tacos and tequila 275 Colony Place Miss quintal in

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accordance excuse me in accordance with chapter 138 of the Massachusetts German

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laws as amended notices hereby given that a public hearing will be held at Plymouth Town Hall 26 Court Street on

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Tuesday May 2nd 2023 at 602 pm to consider the application for an

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alteration or premises from franciscanos of Plymouth doing business says oh Joe

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Cafe tacos and tequila 275 Colony Place in a Michael manager holder of an annual

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all alcohol restaurant license description of the premises is as

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follows one flaw consisting of approximately 5 800 square feet with one

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main entrance and two exits and two additional emergency exits applicant seeks to add outdoor

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patio in front of the restaurant to the left of the main entrance for food and beverages service cordoned off it

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includes a Hostess station anyone wishing to be heard on this matter should plan to attend this meeting

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is there anyone that would like to speak in favor of this or anyone opposed

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bring it back to the board make the motion second motion did my Mr bletzer seconded

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by Mr Helm discussion all those in favor roll call

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Jolly blood say yes Harry Helm yes Mr Mahoney yes

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Mr quintal yes and myself yes congratulations it’s unanimous

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next on the agenda and we’ve added this to the agenda is the Water Street update

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and I can I can introduce so uh Z I carry is um

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it is uh is the design engineer for environmental Partners yesterday

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environment upon is received in updated dewatering plan so that’s why this is

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laid to the agenda but we thought that given the significance of this project it would be important for Mr Kerry to

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come before the board in the community to just provide a brief presentation the status of the sewer Interceptor project

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thanks Derek again my name is I’m the design engineer for the Water Street

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sewer Interceptor um just give you a little bit of a brief background this Interceptor uh the

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existing one currently is a 30 inch resize and intercostal and sometimes you could see the uh the manhole sticking

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out on low tide the two sore manholes it was constructed sometimes in 1969 that

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has uh two 45 degree bands and constructed of concrete and it’s

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inaccessible meaning you cannot assess the condition of the existing Interceptor and if there is an issue

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with it obviously there could be uh problematic there so the uh the

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Interceptor is proposed to be relocated off the intercoastal and put within Water Street and that’s what our project

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was all about we bit the project back in January of 2022 and we re-bid it again

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2022 because of lack of uh available funding and the project was awarded to

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Northern Construction Company who coincidentally did the uh Water Street Bridge back in 2015 right down the

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street from the uh from the interceptor the price of the project came in at 4.4

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billion dollars and the contractor purchased the material back in uh fall

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in the summer of 2022 in light of the uh supply chain issues uh at least to have

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the pipe on on hand and contractually and they started actually the work on December 1 2022 when they mobilized the

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contractually they uh the contract says the uh uh completion

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date is June 30th of 2023. so as you’re all aware

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um they started off at the roundabout and uh they dropped the sheet piles in

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place they put some dewatering wells in an effort to uh the the depth of the excavations about 27 27 feet from grade

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and there’s a fair amount of water that needs to be handled during construction and an effort to lower that groundwater

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table to for them to be able to put the pipe in uh they uh they had to put

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dewatering Wells so the first portion of the work went in smooth about 350 feet

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of the pipeline was already in place out of the 1200 for the whole project and uh

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on the night of March 6 the excavation

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became overwhelmed and there was some displacement of the soil from the

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excavation into the Frank tank and ultimately into the into the harbor and as a result there was some movements on

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the sidewalk and adjacent problem 30s and we put the project on hold so that

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the contractor comes back with a more robust robust dewatering plant to uh to

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be able to lower that groundwater and then avoid any potential issues moving forward as we continue to install the

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pipeline so and brief since March 7th there’s not a whole lot of activities

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kind of took place on site uh they did some supplemental uh pizzometers and

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welds uh uh to have a better understanding of the impacts of groundwater and they submitted a revised

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dewatering plan on April 14th um which to which we required some

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additional information and we recently received yesterday uh 5 a.m we received

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a revised dewatering plan which is currently being reviewed and we have a

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project meeting with them uh tomorrow afternoon to discuss the comments on the dewatering plant and the hope is

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once the the plan is approved and they’re ready to go we would be meeting individually

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with the Butters and the business owners along Water Street and trying to bring

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him up the speed of what the project is all about then the schedule moving forward

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so the thought process here is to do the work and a efficient and safe manners to

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prevent any future movements any future blowout of water within the excavation

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within the work and wrap it up by

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late May early June and anything that doesn’t get done now would be everything

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will be backfilled and paved and then uh anything that doesn’t get done that will

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be done in the fall of 2023. that’s the brief summary I’ll be happy to answer

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any questions you may have thank you

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um Derek I just I just want to just um piggyback on a few points that Ziad

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had mentioned so there will be a meeting tomorrow with the vaima tapana’s our DPW

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director and in their engineering firm to go over a new construction timeline

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so that we can restart this project as he had mentioned that we’re looking at you know a late May early June time

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period but that you know that that still could move a little to the left and a little to the right so I don’t want to make any guarantees to the community

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however what I can say is that we’ve always committed especially to the business community on the waterfront

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that we will hold a meeting as soon as we have a new construction schedule so

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we’ll hold that meeting as soon as possible depending on what we hear tomorrow and then probably by the end of

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this week I’m hopeful we can have that business meeting sometime in mid to late

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week of next of next week so that they can get a better sense of what that new construction schedule will look like

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great thank you just the board members have any questions

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thank you very much the uh and I’m sure we’ll be talking to you soon thanks

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and sure come up to the podium

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Joan Lyons I have a business on Water Street and just a quick question

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um will the business owners and the building owners have input as to the schedule or will you tell us what that

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schedule will be Derek that’s a great question so at this time it’s tough to answer that question

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because we don’t know we have a thought of what we want this construction schedule to be based upon the feedback

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we’ve heard from the area businesses that being said we have to bring this because we’re contractually obligated

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um to meet the specifications within within that contract so we don’t know

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what the contract is going to State back once we present our schedule to them so I think we’ll learn more of that over

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the course of the next few days concerning that we might not have input

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to that because as I had mentioned to you in a previous meeting that if you

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know the plan is to move forward through the summer it’s going to be devastating to the businesses so I’m hoping that I

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can tell you this right now there’s there’s not a plan to move forward to the summer months okay

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okay thank you Mr Mahoney

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thank you madam chair do I just want to reinforce that I think we’re all on the same page that if and when something

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happens there will be a robust communication to all of the downtown Waterfront businesses so that that is

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imperative thank you Betty Mr Blitzer hi Joan Charlie bletzer we uh I’m well

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aware and the borders too of the uh how the business owners feel I’ve been in

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touch with quite a few and uh believe me you know when we were meeting I’ve expressed your feelings

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so we’re trying to work everything else to to keep people’s

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as happy as they can be at this point I mean it’s uh so we’re working to do

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what’s in best interests of everybody okay so I hope that’s about all I can

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say right now okay would anyone else like to speak on this

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before we okay just go up to the podium please

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hi I’m Brenda Silvius I do not live on Water Street but I live on Winslow so

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our house practically enjoins Water Street we have a bed and breakfast my concern is giving

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people notice that perhaps it wouldn’t be a good idea to stay at our house

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during the the construction of in being fair to

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them people don’t want to pay a lot of money and be woken up at 7 A.M to

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pounding so I’m concerned about the notice that we will have if this Project’s going to

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move forward well we’re hopeful that the project is going to move forward but it’s a very

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short window so we can actually um and I might well I definitely won’t

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be here after May 20th but Derek if you could make sure to reach out

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give him your contact information I mean we will definitely publicly be telling

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you all the det as many details as we can about how the projects is going to

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move um we just had executive session the entire board agreed that we do not want

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it to go through the summer so it will be well before the summer season starts

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but if you could Derek if you would do that get her information and just just

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in case you don’t but like John said there there is going to be robust communication with businesses okay it’s

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just that I I need in order to be fair to figures that are coming I need to

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give them enough notice so that they can reserve a place someplace else and that

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is very commendable because a lot of people wouldn’t do that so well it’s only fair right thank you okay thank you

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welcome back Mr Leiden

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uh Stephen the only question I have is the price of this uh Interceptor is it going up because of

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the delays and the extra work that has to be done thank you uh miss Lynn it’s a great question we

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don’t have a an answer for that just yet but I think that realistically we would

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expect that there’s going to be additional costs associated with the delay so but we haven’t done the math we

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haven’t been able to do that as of yet because it’s been a lot of questions that’s still gone on the inside but we

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do expect additional costs

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any other comments or questions okay let’s go right into

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um public comment is there anyone that would like to speak under public comment

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please state your name for the record frame it no you have to wait till you

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get there okay I’ll do it again yes my name is Gilbert Freeman uh good

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evening good evening and Alice I’m a lifelong Plymouth resident uh I’m

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a townie and I’ve had the Good Fortune of living on Little Pond for 50 years

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a member of the local friends of Morton Park neighbor Neighbors group as well as a

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recent member to the uh and our CBC committee I have some serious concerns about

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Warren pack one pack is really shown as the age of 135 years and Mother Nature has not

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always been kind over the years the forest is Storm damaged diseased or

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dying and the results are best seen this time of year when there’s no leaves especially in the winter yes

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the Forest Health is in serious decline the possibility of a forest fire is a public safety concern as well suspicious

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fires have been set around the pack in recent years and heightened the concern of all the neighbors that would be affected

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he has accumulated tree debris and on the forest floor have added plenty of fuel

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to the possible for us by a threat and God forbid there was one it would

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endanger the life and property of probably 90 houses that surround the park

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storm water runoff rushing down paved Services into nearby ponds is a potential health problem the town’s

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fresh water swimming areas a particular concern more than obvious erosion is a quantity

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of the contaminants that come along with the water whether it be lawn on

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lawn and other contaminants fertilizer there’s the word I’m looking for

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the point itself seems to be in pretty good shape the Jewel of the pack Little Pond

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even though the evasive spawn grass and pickle weed have encompasses the whole Shoreline due to

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runoff the main runoff being one pack Road Bridges Road and Little Pond Road had

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their runoff and over at Red Springs there’s a culvert there that catches all

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the water that comes off Summer Street it’s been doing that since 1975.

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there’s been no uh testing of the uh the health of the water in Little Pond they

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do the E coli checks at them at the I mean Beach but the overall health of the

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of the of the plant itself hasn’t been done or in quite a while

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now the Departments that are in charge of the pack Pax forestry Recreation the

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DPW have done their best with the budget constraints and The Limited personnel and resources that they’ve been afforded

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often being very creative in the way they solve problems much appreciated

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a possible solution to help some of the allow volunteer groups to go around the pack clear trails and maintain maybe

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some small work under the supervision of the town of course we have volunteers now that continually

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pick up trash around the pack in conclusion the maintenance and the upkeep of the pack itself with the

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adequate annual funding needs needs to be included in overall solutions to our beloved pack

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the success of any maintenance plan of course is the rules and regulations ultimately relies on the consistent

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enforcement and this has been a mantra for a couple of decades now

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and you have to monitor it the serious problems as a result of the overuse and overcrowding in the mitigation continue

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today and we will hear later in the tonight about that one package served as well but now it’s

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time to consider our serving the pack and they’ll buy the enjoyment for all

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those who visit the pack visit the pack whether you’re walking and jogging swimming boating or fishing

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thank you save more than pack

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thank you Mr Freeman anybody else public comment picture

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please just state your name for the record hi I’m Ann Dean I swim at Morton park

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for an old gal like me it’s a really healthy

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form of exercise and teach me on my feet I’m 82. and glad to be alive

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um I I have a problem when they on weekends they count the number of cars

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coming in but they don’t take them off the count when they leave so on a Saturday or a

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Sunday I can’t go down in the late afternoon

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when a lot of people have left the park and there aren’t many people there and I can’t I I can’t go but I can’t be

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driven down to swim I have to bicycle or walk in because they don’t take account

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that if 50 people came in in the morning and 47 of them left

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there is room for another or two Warm Bodies

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and I I think that’s reasonable and I I am glad to hear what they’re

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doing to take care of the park and I’m sure there are other things we can do to mitigate the fire damage and

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there must be some things that we can do to to help the health of the trees too

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thank you anyone else public comment

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right after her

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yes it’s on the agenda hello everybody my name is Joanne Curran

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I think one of the issues that I’m really concerned about is the fact that a lot of people in this town Buy

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stickers and yet like this nice lady over here had stated they come to the pack they go

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to the beach and the beach is full which is understandable there’s only a certain amount of parking spaces for them to

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park at however then they try to go to the pond and the problem is they have a sticker

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and we have two resident only beaches that are almost completely empty

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now if you’re going to allow more cars to park there perhaps you could make it for the people that live there that

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purchase the stickers because these beaches are not being used hardly and

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you know except fisherman and um I just think it would be nice if the people that bought a sticker would be able to

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park somewhere if you’re going to add 25 more people or find out how many cars

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that you think that you can fit in each spot probably more over it boy’s hole than Red Springs but it would be nice

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and then you would have a record of the people coming in you would know who they are and it would be nice sometimes if

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maybe they would check people’s licenses that way if they cause trouble you know who they are and just something like

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that because the beaches are basically empty all summer the two residents only being voiceful in

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the other area Red Springs and you might want to address that

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erosion issue thank you for the sand but there are big runoffs from the streets

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that Mr Gilbert mentioned and it was a nice gesture but they really need an engineer to figure out how to deter that

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I think thank you thank you

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my name is Irene Caldwell and there’s just a few issues I wish to address about Norton Park

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I do not understand how we get to include the rights or needs of the

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public in the decision-making process I have been trying for three years now to

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figure out how to intersect with a committee that says what are the rights

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of the public and how do they compete or at least come into play when you have a

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decision-making process at Morton park at White Horse Beach at

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um at Fresh Pond and at hedge Pond and so

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if we I just think we need a place to recreate to swim to get access to Nature and I

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wish that there was a way I could figure out which committee to talk to that really addresses the issues because

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right now the natural resources committee is so busy with all the things

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that they have to decide we have very little access to the decision-making

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process which is how does the public have a place to recreate in Plymouth

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thank you thank you

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my name is Ruth Peroni I live on Morton Park and this I wanted to address

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something for the health of the park as well as the pond and the surrounding trees

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in Morton park there are as far as I know

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maybe two or six porta-potties you have hundreds of people going there

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on the weekend on a Saturday they might use the porta potties on a Sunday they refuse to use

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the porta potties because they’re filled and they don’t get cleaned out till Monday so consequently

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the people who are using Morton Park go into the woods and On Any Given weekend you can find

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toilet paper in the woods you can find waste in the woods you can find diapers

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in the woods so I think if we want to take care of the health of the park and

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be good caretakers of nature we have to figure out a way that we

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allow these people access to toilets and saying that well we come in on a

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Monday or we come in on a Wednesday to clean them out that’s that’s that makes no sense

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so that’s my concern thank you thank you well I guess this has turned into Morton

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Park so um we’ll go back to the other agenda

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items unless you want to wait I mean I would prefer to wait uh both

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captain lebreton and and sluster I director Recreation are going to be joining us in about 20 minutes

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yes yes you will yep you will

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you’re welcome um okay the next we have licenses and

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administrative notes if the board has reviewed and there are no issues I’d like to ask for a motion to move as a

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group motion by Mr Blitzer I’ll second that

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seconded by Mr helm Mr Mahoney

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discussion uh just a question from you to the town manager

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admin note number one Mr brindisi so last year at some point in time the

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board hired in-house Town Council the first town meeting that they came

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through was October of 22. there was four CPC articles this admin

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note addresses one of them obviously an excellent purchase 90 Acres

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of open space out near the Dobby Pond well and I just want to know

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with respect to the closing so if Tom meeting was in mid early to mid-october here we are six and a half months later

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because some the overrender how was the performance on this from in-house counsel with respect to

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bringing this to fruition I would say I think the question is you know how quickly does it typically take

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from the moment how meeting approves an article for a parcel acquisition to the

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to the closing and I think it’s anywhere from average five to seven months that window

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and I was just referring to Mr brothers and when we went to the South Meadow

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property it took us about a little more than three months to close on that property so you know it definitely it

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ranges I mean it’s part of it it has to do with um the attorney you’re dealing with on the other side typically they

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drag these sellers are trying to typically draft the pns’s so sometimes they’re waiting on them in the case of

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the South Meadow Road we would the seller so we would so we drafted so we were able to Fast Track that so I’d say

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realistically from an from a buyer standpoint probably looking at five months early maybe seven months tops

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okay thank you okay

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we have a motion by now I can’t remember Mr bletzer and seconded by Mr helm is

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there any further discussion all those in favor roll call please

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Jolly Blitzer yes Harry Helm yes Mr Mahoney yes Mr quintal yes and myself

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yes okay the next order of business is the

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community preservation committee discussion and Mr

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no it wasn’t

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okay I’ll defer to the chair

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the CPC chair and committee chose not to come but that doesn’t

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cancel our discussion regarding it up

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who’s here we’re good we’re all set now Mr Mahoney would you like to start this

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so the origins of this topic obviously I think a week or two ago the chair said

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Put it on as an agenda item so we were in a CPC meeting I think back on Thursday April 13th

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six attendees three absences and

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what my concern was and this is building off the question I just gave the town manager was that it

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was implied by the chair of the CPC that in-house council is not doing that job

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and that the committee needs to get their own counsel okay so specifically I

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asked can you provide specifics of how they are not doing their job

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and we know that Town Council or this firm

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was just brought on one in the last year and certainly if they had been on the job for a year

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or two I’d be the first one to say that they’re not getting it done okay but I think it’s early

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so what happened was because of that discussion I came back to this body

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two weeks ago it was two weeks ago tonight and I asked the town manager for

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an update on the four articles that were passed through town meeting in October of 22.

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and obviously there was an email that came out from in-house Town Council and it was pretty robust

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the update on those four articles and the status of them now obviously this

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one here is about to be put to bed but there’s three others out there and they’re in

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varying levels of completion with a lot of questions with one or two of them left

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to be answered and you know the eyes have to be dotted and the t’s have to be crossed so that was it that was the

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origins of this and I know that’s that’s why you had prompted you know how can we

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get the committee in here to see what’s going on because the communication needs to be improved

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well and that’s what we’re here to do so let’s talk about

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improving communication Mr circuit did you have something

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is this pertains to the subject now at hand I was here last week when the board

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voted to ask the CPC in general or its

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chairman in particular to come before the board tonight and they received an email from the town

37:57

manager the next day it’s my understanding that Mr Cohan

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responded to that email after talking with other members of the CPC and

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stating that they needed more particulars as to what the purpose of the discussion was because the agenda

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just says Community preservation committee discussion and the committee as I understand it

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wanted wanted more particulars and as you know

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the agenda just says foreign

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preservation committee discussion and the open meeting Laws states and the

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regulations state that the list of topics on the agenda shall have sufficient specificity to reasonably

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advise the public of the issues to be discussed at the meeting and that’s why

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I understand the response was tell us in specific in particular what you want us to come in and talk about so

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we can be prepared to talk about it I think that’s the only reason why they’re not here I act

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Mr Cohan and I had several conversations between Thursday and Friday and he knew

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exactly why we were we were coming here and it was honestly just to be able to

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help that process that seems to be a little broken right now and we need to

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move forward CPC is a very important board we want to give them as much Town

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staff support as we can and he knew about it uh in the email went out there

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was an email that went out Mrs bukes was the only one that responded to us about

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it um so Mr Cohan knew I just don’t

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understand what you mean by the communications seem to be broken well if if we finish

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the subject you’ll probably understand better Mrs buches you can go go no go

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ahead

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hello my name is Karen bukes I sit on the CPC committee

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I’m here I did come tonight I was invited anytime I’m invited I will attend

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and I know that the town and the CPC

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including the chairman wants this resolved

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um we need to get together and

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we actually were going to get together and I’ll tell you exactly what happened

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I called the town manager a while ago and I asked him for a meeting on this

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subject he was very gracious and he said by all means come in

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I told Bill that I was coming in I would never do that behind his back

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so I went in and I met with uh Tom manager

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and he was if I say to you this would be an understatement to say

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that that meeting was wonderful it was candid and open

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I got off my chest would I thought and he did as well

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and we actually came to terms and at the end of that meeting I asked

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him would you like to have a meeting with Bill Cohan

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and he said I’d welcome it so after that meeting I went and I met

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with Bill and he said he would welcome it as well and I was going to go with Bill

41:56

it never happened but as of today he tried to get the town

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manager and they kept missing each other by phone calls tell manager called him

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back and I guess Bill was working all I know is from my viewpoint

42:14

is that something’s got to give I know change is coming

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and to me good change

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I know that’s upsetting to some but I see it as good change it took me a while

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but I understand it now I see the town manager really wanting to

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do good he wants to open the lines of communication as does Bill

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bill was shut out for three years under the old Town manager couldn’t talk to her

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that was wrong he would love to sit down with

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Mr brandisi and I know that it’s mutual

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and I as the CPC member want to resolve this

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and I know all of you do too thank you

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so um to give a little bit of clarity

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um about how I feel we should move forward with is that you know many of

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our I mean all of our boards are important um many of those boards have Town staff

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either as Liaisons to boards or at the board meetings

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and they also communicate so you know one of the things and I have spoken to

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Bill about this and I have spoken to Derek and even though he is not here I

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still intend to move forward with how I believe that this should go so I would

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like the town manager and I know that you already set up a meeting I would like

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the town manager to meet with Mr Conan monthly and set a schedule so it’s the

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second Wednesday of every month or whatever I’d also like to have at your discretion

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a town employee that attends and becomes

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a liaison of the CPC on the town’s behalf because right now we’re we’re at

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a place that everybody seems to be bickering about something and I’m I’m I

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can’t even begin to tell you how sick and tired of it I am we all want the best thing for Plymouth we all want the

44:50

same that we want people to succeed this is not a race we’re all in it together

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and when Communications are broken down um everything breaks down and that’s

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just not it’s not our community I know things are a little bit different now there’s lots of arguing and

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it just we just can’t do it so my suggestion is and with the board support

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that we instruct the town manager to do as I just repeated

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and try to get CPC and the town on the same page

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so we can just move past everything that was in the past

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um I say from this moment on anything that has happened before this day with

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CPC is just forgotten let’s clean the Slate let’s move forward let’s

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communicate CPC is a great organization Bill cohan’s a great volunteer he does a

45:55

lot of work and CPC is obviously pretty important to this community so

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if I could have the support of the board to do that that would be great

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Mr Mahoney so I completely agree with the chair I

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think if you look at a lot of the other communities committees in the community planning zoning board of appeals Etc

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they have staff support in this committee has been lacking that

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for years and it’s probably we’re behind the curve on this one

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okay but I completely degree disagree with the notion that a one-on-one

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meeting the chair of this Committee in the town manager is going to fix it because those

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two individuals will meet behind closed doors and have a conversation and then that means that

46:52

five members here a window dressing but more importantly in this discussion

46:57

the eight other individuals on the CPC are also negligible

47:04

we had the summit a couple months ago there was a promise that there would be

47:09

a subsequent meeting okay I had multiple committee members on

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the CPC said that they sat there and listened at the first meeting because they were looking for the

47:21

follow-up meeting to give their opinion on what they supported and disagreed with with

47:27

respect to the suggestions brought by multiple department heads of how to improve that committee okay

47:34

I sat in a meeting I think two weeks ago Thursday night

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I had to make a motion to get a department head to come into a

47:47

meeting by a fortitude vote it barely passed to give the pros and cons on the

47:53

technical advantages of our land purchase for this community and we discussed that for almost 15

47:59

minutes and I was sat there and told by the chair that some of this was illegal what we

48:05

were doing so the First Amendment issues with this committee are off the charts

48:10

okay so you don’t solve First Amendment issues by putting having two people get

48:16

together one-on-one I would expect a public meeting it doesn’t have to be

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here it can be at the Art Center it can be in the middle of the court at Memorial Hall

48:27

it can be in a gymnasium in a high school I don’t care both committees need to get together with their entire

48:34

membership and have an open transparent and public discussion on the

48:40

suggestions that department heads made at the initial joint meeting we had a couple months ago that is the first step

48:48

forward I want the public to be able to participate in these meetings they are

48:53

boxed out right now I have multiple individuals with applications in front of this committee

48:59

who are just upset that they can’t participate and come in and speak to this board

49:06

I mean I don’t care how many people meet it’s it’s Derek’s discretion

49:14

but I think that with what you’re saying um he Derek can have anybody he wants

49:20

there as well as Bill I would imagine that the selectman liaison would be

49:26

there I’d imagine that the town managers appointed liaison would be there so I

49:33

don’t care about the dynamics of it it’s just that we need to put something

49:40

in place to be able to move forward where I mean it’s absolutely

49:45

unacceptable that people cannot go into a meeting and speak can you imagine if we do that here they’d be caning us

49:52

outside so um with that being said

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I don’t see who I both can’t happen right exactly I I

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don’t like to hear that it’s not going to happen because that was never the flavor of what bill was

50:11

saying um communication has to be opened I get

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it but I also don’t like being dictated to

50:22

every meeting by selectman Mahoney yelled at

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I think that’s not right Mr kohane offered his hand twice in

50:35

Friendship to Mr Mahoney and it was rebuffed

50:40

so we could all say things I don’t want to say

50:46

I want to get along I want to work with this man right here he’s very good at what he does and so is

50:54

Bill

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did you want to speak Mrs Davis yes thank you Virginia Davis I’m observical

51:05

of the League of Women Voters and I attended that meeting and um

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it got so obstructive with John challenging bill on how

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um the process should be done that’s been done for 20 years pretty well it

51:25

um that Mr Parker Randy Parker got up and left so um there are also meetings already

51:33

set up by the committee and Bill one is on the procedure for historic

51:41

applications there’s a meeting set up for that there’s one for each section of

51:46

the the CPC and how the process goes on and if people are concerned they just

51:54

need to reach out to Bill or to members of the committee that will then reach

51:59

out to Bill and if I think you’re a member of a committee you should be supportive that that

52:06

committee so thank you

52:12

Mr Blitzer I want to make I’d like to make a motion

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that we add staff uh to this committee but I’d like to say another thing that

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anybody that’s a member of a meeting I mean a committee excuse me

52:31

if there’s disruptive behavior or did you think that somebody is uh is out of

52:37

line there’s a remedy for that and I haven’t heard anything about this but there is a remedy we had it already

52:45

in the conservation committee we had to take a member off of that committee for disruptive behavior so there is a remedy

52:53

for that if that keeps happening but I’m making that motion that we add staff to help that community

53:00

do we have a second Emotion by Mr Blitzer seconded by Mr

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Mahoney to make a second discussion um to oh

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go ahead when you when you say Ad staff what what kind of job well that’ll be up to

53:21

Derek’s discretion well whether it may be Mr Hartman or Mr Gould or whoever

53:28

can be free for that uh period of time it may be a bunch of stuff that will

53:36

rotate through the meetings that’ll be able to bring some kind of you know

53:41

expertise to what they’re doing and I understand people say well it’s been done this way for 20 years

53:48

and yeah you know we’re going to put all you guys

53:54

in the time machine with John so he better make some room over there but just because it’s been done that way for

54:00

20 years that doesn’t mean it’s going to work now and right now it isn’t working so what I think this board is committed

54:08

to is making it work you know all committees are bound by

54:14

public meetings and public hearings and you know some of the things that I

54:20

understood that doesn’t always happen in certain areas but let’s forget about it

54:27

let’s move forward and try to fix it

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Mr Helm thank you relative to

54:40

Charlie’s motion and in terms of what dick said I just want

54:48

to amplify and ask our town manager to give detail

54:55

on what we’re talking about here I am not a fan of voting for something with

55:00

maybes and could bees and maybe it’ll be 20 people maybe it’ll be the the the the

55:07

secretary of the DPW maybe it’ll be uh you know the sanitation department I

55:13

mean I I don’t like maybes so if we are adding staff to attend

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a board I think we need to know I mean I won’t vote for it unless I know what

55:27

that staff is so do you have any thoughts are you asking who that staff is or who’s it

55:34

going to be well I I don’t know um I had heard that this was um something that was being entertained

55:40

over the weekend and um you know we have our Tuesday Mornings uh department head

55:45

meetings and I had mentioned this uh during our agenda review and I can tell

55:51

you that all of the department had supported this this effort as Mr Mahoney

55:57

pointed out every one of our boards and committees have paid professional staff that attend those provide technical

56:03

guidance and assistance and advice when in when necessary this is a big

56:09

committee the community preservation committee and I mean it’s um you can applaud them for going this long

56:15

20 years without having paid professional staff but I think in this situation it would be helpful to open

56:22

the lines of communication and be able to support and provide technical advice to not only a chairman but the committee

56:27

as a whole so I’ll Circle back with the department heads we’ll look within the organization

56:34

um we don’t have funding for this you know maybe CPC would be willing to offer

56:40

admin funds to help bring in paid professional staff if not we’d have to look within the organization and see um

56:47

which individual has a bandwidth and the technical know-how in order to support

56:53

a committee this complex

56:58

I mean for for me we don’t tell the town manager how to do his day-to-day

57:05

business I mean I think he is well aware of you know if it’s if it’s an agenda that

57:12

he sees and it’s something that maybe it’s a Dave Gould’s expertise or maybe

57:18

it’s a Lee Hartman expertise I think the town manager would know who

57:25

he would want to send as professional staff maybe it’s you know a meeting that it’s all finances maybe they’re

57:32

discussing you know dead dates or loans or reloaning or I mean so that would be

57:38

something that maybe the town manager would want to send Mrs Barrett so I think that

57:44

we don’t tell Derek how to run the town and I think it would be under his

57:50

discretion to send who he thought would best serve the board you know at every

57:58

meeting each meeting however he wants to um staff that

58:07

that’s my two sons or I’ll give you a dime Betty

58:12

Mr Mahoney and you could always go with a rotation Derek maybe there’s a few people that

58:19

take turns every other you know the committee technically is supposed to meet every other week there hasn’t been a meeting for three weeks

58:26

if it’s not one this Thursday and currently I don’t see anything posted yet so you could be looking at you know

58:33

going 30 days or you know a month in between meetings so you know maybe it is maybe there’s two

58:38

to four employees out there that can take a rotation and you know share the burden

58:44

I mean this is certainly um I think this is certainly that the board is trying to take a corrective

58:49

action yes and um you have to start somewhere so this I believe is this good place to start

58:58

Pat Adelman I just want to um make it clear from what I understand

59:05

the CPC is independent by state law

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and uh and I don’t know how you can be dictating who should be attending the

59:17

CPC but um I I’m just questioning the

59:23

legality of that thank you I go ahead

59:30

saddleman it’s a public committee they have a revenue stream of roughly 4

59:37

million dollars annually currently okay okay

59:43

so any American has the right to show up to one of those meetings and sit there

59:49

and be a witness absolutely John but you’re talking about

59:56

um you know hiring staff to be there if the CPC is supposed to be

1:00:05

independent so if the town and they are independent

1:00:10

they are independent but at Point at a certain point in time

1:00:16

that independence dovetails with the representative body of this community

1:00:22

and that’s town meeting okay you they they advise they suggest articles that

1:00:28

go to your local Congress and they have to be approved and then from there

1:00:33

it basically handed off to the town manager and he’s got to figure out what department head is going

1:00:39

to take that article and bring it to fruition but what we’re talking about process

1:00:45

what we’re talking about and I’ll give you a textbook example the building across the street the spire

1:00:51

okay manager and other staff members post October brought into the discussion

1:00:59

on the two and a half to three and a half million dollar investment in the Spire okay they take multiple meetings

1:01:07

where they have to figure out what’s going on or if they were brought into the

1:01:12

equation one to three months beforehand hundreds of hours of town staff is not

1:01:18

wasted and the process is more efficient and therefore translates into tremendous

1:01:25

savings for the community in time and in tax dollars okay it is a public I I sat

1:01:33

there two weeks ago Thursday night being told that some of the things were

1:01:38

illegal with respect to public participation in that committee I I was

1:01:43

I mean I was flawed that’s your opinion thank you

1:01:51

Mr Lydon Steve Lyden I’m chairman of the visitor Service Board we have Town staff

1:01:57

we have Lee Hartman we also have you know Laurie that comes in and sits in

1:02:03

our meetings um I am not qualified to receive the

1:02:08

reports that Lee Hartman gets from the state about our funding he is Staff our

1:02:14

board all members are aboard are appointed by this board so there is public

1:02:19

participation even though we are our chatter our group was our

1:02:28

came from the state the state formed the vse uh the public promotion promotion

1:02:35

fund and the vsb is the one who administrates that fund so we do have

1:02:41

public staff and like I said Lee Hartman is fantastic we are appointed by this board so there

1:02:49

is public participation it’s not our committee doesn’t appoint our committee the CPC doesn’t commit it doesn’t

1:02:56

appoint their committee it’s all done through your board so there is there is public participation and there is

1:03:02

government participation from you guys so I don’t see anything being illegal like I said they probably do need staff

1:03:10

but I was this kind of unique we only deal with like one thing tourism and

1:03:18

infrastructure when you’re talking about the CPC it is so much larger it is so

1:03:23

much more complex than ours so I don’t know how you’re gonna you know I think maybe when you have someone when

1:03:30

something comes in and you’re dealing historic and you have someone who knows about a stork or you need something with

1:03:36

funding you have like the finance director commit you know you would need different people that have the expertise

1:03:42

to do what you know that would do it has to be done thank you

1:03:47

okay hi Jenny Davis again I’d just like to

1:03:53

speak that and and I miss you know you were on it Mrs cavaco so it’s made up of

1:04:01

um the chair or doesn’t have to be the chair but it’s someone from the conservation which is Randy Parker it’s

1:04:06

the historic commission it’s the Redevelopment commission have I missed one of the commissions and affordable

1:04:14

housing planning planning board yes so they’re already Representatives on this

1:04:21

committee from other committees and yes the select board has I believe appoints

1:04:27

at least three at large Bill happens to be one of them Karen is one of them uh

1:04:33

the vice chair is Joan Bartlett um I think I have them all and I don’t

1:04:39

think this would be an issue I think it would be really great to have someone from the town helping out I don’t think

1:04:46

that’s a problem but I think because these meetings weren’t recorded

1:04:52

like this is being where everybody really gets to see both sides I think

1:04:57

what I’m upset about mostly is that for us to discuss the CPC and what occurred

1:05:03

without all the members who were at that meeting to be here

1:05:08

and both sides and that’s really critical on

1:05:14

any meeting that goes on because we’re hearing John’s and for and for Bill to

1:05:19

get up I it wouldn’t be right for either one of them to be arguing what went on in that meeting but if if you were as

1:05:25

the public allowed to see it then you can make your own judgment that’s all so

1:05:30

I don’t think I think to have extra help for like minutes and and communication

1:05:36

that that could all be a really a really strong and a good thing I mean I’m so thank you you’re

1:05:43

I’m not looking at any meeting that happened because

1:05:48

you know um that’s not the corrective action that I think this board wants we want to move

1:05:55

forward we want to stop going back in the past and we want the CPC to be

1:06:01

successful I mean like I said it’s one of the biggest boards that we have and

1:06:07

it’s its mission is um it’s really giant honestly so I think

1:06:15

with what we’ve all discussed we have emotion we have a second

1:06:21

and do you need that repeated of what it is uh Derek or do you do you get it no I

1:06:28

understand okay

1:06:35

I sat on the CBC for I don’t know how many years I was going to say 10.

1:06:41

from its Inception I I am in agreement for the Marvin Town

1:06:47

staff if it’s a secretary or Administrative Assistant

1:06:52

to do the minutes and to help out that way I mean I think it’s an important

1:06:58

enough committee that has an office in this building I have to say Bill puts his heart into

1:07:05

it and you know he’s done a lot of good things and sometimes things happen we

1:07:12

all know that but I don’t want to get into I’m not going to get into

1:07:18

personalities I’m not going to base my my decision today on personalities

1:07:25

the community needs that I think if we set our guidelines with timelines if you

1:07:31

know let’s face it once in a while things don’t get done on time it makes hard to bring articles to town meeting I

1:07:39

think we previously addressed that with a time frame and I’m in agreement with Mr Helm at

1:07:46

least I think I am if I understood Harry that if it’s something like clerical

1:07:51

then I definitely support it if it’s more than that no and why do I I

1:07:57

bring it back to this board because you have the appointing authority and you have a vote before it even goes to town

1:08:03

meeting and I think that’s uh check-in balance like I said I don’t

1:08:10

want to get into the point in the fingers it’s getting like Kangaroo Court I mean you know we need to stop running

1:08:16

the community we’re in about the issues that we have and I think we have a

1:08:24

conversation other Town manager has on with them and you know I I’ve known Bill quite a while actually the reason I

1:08:30

didn’t vote to put them on the zba I’m going to tell you why wasn’t because I thought he was a bad person or because

1:08:37

of politics or whatever he’s supporting that doesn’t matter when I sit here What mattered to me was it would help

1:08:43

Bill and I’ve said it right to his face I actually called him is to give you a

1:08:48

little time to spend more on the CPC committee because I’ve already had

1:08:54

too many kettles in the fire and that’s a friend talking not not a uh

1:09:00

you know and I didn’t even know bill till I came to the town so we all make mistakes

1:09:07

and that I’m not going to go on and on about it but I I don’t want to get in the habit of running these committees I

1:09:14

mean we have enough on our plates here Mr brandisi uh if I could just make a

1:09:21

couple clarifying comments um so first of all there’s no committee that’s independent of town government

1:09:26

every committee both the elector appointed work under the structure of town government so there is no

1:09:32

Independence and to that point if you go to and I’ve often suggested this that there’s a

1:09:38

community preservation Coalition that’s based out of Boston they have an immense amount of resources as it relates to

1:09:45

what the CPA is what cpcs do and if you go to their website there’s at least 16

1:09:50

job descriptions listed for paid professional staff for individuals that work for their

1:09:58

respective Community preservation committees in even Boston last time I checked this their staff person makes

1:10:05

six figures so in some communities these individuals are

1:10:11

um uniquely qualified to do the work that they do they’re not just administrative in nature so there is a precedent out

1:10:17

there and I think that we could follow many other models throughout the state

1:10:23

yeah I mean my my thought wasn’t for like a someone taking minutes because

1:10:30

you have someone taking minutes already my my thought was you have a CPC meeting whatever the

1:10:37

subject is going to be come next week you have a CPC meeting you have a staff

1:10:43

member there in that meeting and they know once they’re in that meeting and

1:10:49

within their discussions that exactly what has to be done I’m not saying bill

1:10:55

doesn’t know but it has to go through town staff to get anything accomplished so I think

1:11:02

it would streamline the process it would probably be less work for the committee

1:11:08

itself because whatever they do it all has to come through town staff

1:11:14

so why not have a staff member that’s right there right on top of it can know

1:11:20

is exactly how to discuss it what has to be done what doesn’t have to be done and

1:11:26

then I mean I think it I think it’s more efficient

1:11:31

to do it this way and if you looked I looked into a little bit of like cpcs in different

1:11:38

communities I think uh Marshfield was one I want to say King Kingston or

1:11:45

Duxbury was the other they all have Town staff so

1:11:51

um I just I mean that that is what I see as the corrective action and

1:11:58

I’m not saying that anybody’s doing anything wrong but like meetings where

1:12:04

people are bickering back and forth and trust me I know how to bicker

1:12:10

um it’s not getting anything accomplished is what I’m saying in CPC they should have staff they’re the only

1:12:17

ones that haven’t had staff in 20 years and they should because I think it’s

1:12:22

going to be much easier let’s just say you know it’s not a staff member and Derek goes Derek knows absolutely when

1:12:29

he walks out that meeting the next morning he’s got to do this this and this for that CPC meaning that he just

1:12:35

went to not wait for anybody to tell them not wait for anything he knows and so will

1:12:42

the staff members and they will provide that information so they can just move

1:12:50

okay oh okay Mr helm

1:12:56

I just want to maybe clarify or restate I’m not in the dis I’m not in

1:13:02

disagreement with this concept because it it does it is more efficient to have staff there but when you say

1:13:09

corrective action is to have staff there corrective action in my mind means I

1:13:17

want to see a plan I want to know what the the town manager’s plan for

1:13:23

utilizing his staff I want I want to know you know a plan we will find out what is

1:13:31

on their agenda and the following possible staff members will will go not

1:13:36

to Define it that they go every time but just to create a policy that is going to

1:13:42

guide who is going to go and when I mean as as Mr uh quintal mentioned you know

1:13:49

staff can be somebody taking notes staff can be director level people who are

1:13:56

involved I just think that if we’re going to go through with this which I do think makes sense it should be defined

1:14:03

you know it we should be able to look at the concept that the town manager is

1:14:10

going to create for this procedure and these processes and then vote on it

1:14:16

instead of just saying okay this sounds like a good idea we really don’t know any of the details but we’ll make them

1:14:22

up as we go I don’t I just don’t think that’s good government and once again I’m going to don’t know on this even

1:14:28

though I agree with the concept but do we do that with any other

1:14:34

committee that we have staff on no never

1:14:39

I believe that Steve mentioned that there is defined staff that goes to his

1:14:45

it is a smaller committee but obviously there is process and procedure that has

1:14:50

been determined for the visitor Service Bureau okay just because this one’s bigger doesn’t mean it’s any different

1:14:56

I’m just I’m just saying Betty this is it’s about good government you know you

1:15:01

you you I can’t vote on something that I don’t know I mean I it’s been like that

1:15:08

since the day I got on this board I have said it time and time again if I don’t have the details I’m not going to vote

1:15:15

Yes on something it’s just it’s just the kind of person that I am and so I’m just

1:15:21

reiterating why it is that I’m about to vote no on this

1:15:31

so we have a first and a second call for a vote Mr bletzer Charlie Blitzer yes

1:15:38

Mr Helm no Mr Mahoney yes Mr Quinto no myself yes

1:15:46

the motion passes okay now on to our next set is prior uh

1:15:55

proposed reorganization uh what Madam chair would you mind

1:16:01

um we have our Recreation director here and I know Captain Breton and I know that a number of folks that want to talk

1:16:07

about Martin Park and I know you want to take it out of order earlier do you mind if we take it out that’s fine okay so

1:16:13

Anthony can you pull up the um the map

1:16:20

so while Anthony pulls up that map I’ll just kind of give folks a background and again I know there’s a number of

1:16:25

neighborhood residents that are here this evening that wanted to hear what the town came up with and I see Mr

1:16:31

malaguti’s here who’s the chair of the natural resources and ponds committee who had furnished a set of

1:16:37

recommendations that they came with came up with as well so I’m sure he’ll want to speak to some of their work so just

1:16:45

to give folks a little bit of a background as you all know this board I

1:16:50

heard many complaints through the summer months especially the the Tuesdays after a very long hot weekend where Morton

1:16:59

Park in some respects was being overrun by

1:17:05

um Paco is and and what had happened once the park reached its full capacity

1:17:11

of a hundred vehicles uh many of the potential Paco is started

1:17:17

to park in the neighborhoods and they started to be I guess intrusive on the

1:17:23

quality of life on those on those streets and so we heard those complaints Mr malagodi’s committee held multiple

1:17:31

meetings public meetings to try to solicit input and then again came up

1:17:36

with Center recommendation so we took those recommendations under consideration and there was a team of uh

1:17:43

Miss uh slusser Captain libreton who should be online somewhere James Downey

1:17:50

from our engineering department and Mr Gould to kind of look at the park

1:17:56

as a whole talk about the history of the park and some of the changes and look at the more

1:18:03

impact management plan as well um so I’m just going to go through a number of recommendations that we are suggesting

1:18:10

and again some of them are probably a little bit out of the box and some folks May scratch the head and asking you know

1:18:16

how do you think you can do this and so I’ll say that it’s a pilot and if there

1:18:22

are some unexpected consequences that come from this we may have to Pivot and

1:18:28

go back to a previous traffic pattern and what you can see here in this

1:18:33

traffic pattern that what we are recommending is that you can no longer access more impact on

1:18:41

Saturdays and Sundays again just Saturdays and Sundays and holidays um at the point of morning Park Road and

1:18:47

Summer Street for the at least for the the learning period we will have a detailed police

1:18:55

officer who will be staged at that intersection of Morton Park Road and

1:19:01

Summer Street to move folks along down to Billington and then you can see as

1:19:08

you access the Billington Road you will then access the park there so

1:19:14

this is a one way in one way out so you access Morton Park through the Billington Road area once we reach what

1:19:22

we are now recommending 150 cars no 150 or 125 125 125 Vehicles

1:19:31

then we will then close the park again so we’re moving from 100 vehicles to 125

1:19:38

Vehicles accessing off of the Billington Street access point you’ll see in green

1:19:44

there are a number of these streets and it’s it’s difficult to tell so if you

1:19:49

have any questions regarding the streets themselves I’ll defer those questions specifically to Captain LeBron but

1:19:56

you’ll see that a number of these roads will be marked with uh either resident

1:20:03

only no parking or no stopping or standing and those roads will will be mostly

1:20:12

patrolled on a complaint basis so the resident only is different

1:20:18

because we didn’t want to have no parking on some of these streets because these are residential streets and we

1:20:24

didn’t want to prevent visitors from coming to some of these homes so having

1:20:29

a resident only parking Street will allow that to take

1:20:34

place so you’ll see those streets there propane tanks we also

1:20:41

um prohibiting grills to be carried into

1:20:46

the park so the only way we’re allowing to use propane tank fire grills would be

1:20:53

for those 125 vehicles that access to pack so again another complaint we saw

1:20:59

images and videos of individuals offloading their propane tank Fired

1:21:05

Grill on the street and then pulling those

1:21:10

that Grill down Morton Park Road so that’s another one and then signage so a lot of the signage as you know is

1:21:17

outdated so a recreation department is working with idbw to update all the

1:21:23

signage inside the pack and we’re expecting that science to be bilingual

1:21:28

signage so again to try to help communicate the rules of the park

1:21:35

Staffing will stay the same except when we are expecting a high volume of

1:21:44

individuals so we know last year so I always say if it’s predictable it’s preventable right so we knew last year

1:21:49

that if we had three days of high heat that were rolling into a weekend we knew Sundays in particular we were going to

1:21:56

have heavy traffic and so now that you know we kind of have a trend we will we’ll use that that Trend trending and

1:22:04

we’ll staff up on those days that we think that it’s going to be um

1:22:11

heavy pack days and then again we’ll do the same for just sanitation as well so

1:22:17

increase the Staffing levels for our seasonal Park staff to help just manage

1:22:22

the volume of of trash that’s going to take place so again in summary and then

1:22:28

I’ll turn it over to questions we think that a new traffic pattern new signage

1:22:34

limiting parking in many of the residential streets in that area

1:22:39

prohibiting grills to be carried in in another a number of other remedies that

1:22:45

will be able to mitigate the occurrences of last summer again recognizing that this is a pilot and we may have to Pivot

1:22:53

based upon some unexpected unexpected consequences that may take place

1:22:59

pending any questions that’s all I have

1:23:08

you have to come up to the podium

1:23:21

Perroni again thank you so much I think your plans are absolutely fabulous

1:23:26

I only have one question so you said we’re going to allow 125

1:23:32

cars so I’m guessing maybe if we have four people per car now we have 600

1:23:40

people so what do you have any plan about the

1:23:46

people who Park their cars at the old Shaw’s parking area and we have a caravan of hundreds of

1:23:54

people walking into the park how do we protect our Morton Park in our pond

1:24:02

from maybe 600 to 800 or 900 people on a

1:24:08

weekend because I know you can’t the Walkers I I understand

1:24:14

this is America we have the right to go where we go no I I if I could answer that so um

1:24:20

we checked with our building department and from what we understand that shot that old Shaw’s building in that parking

1:24:27

lot is being renovated into a storage facility so we

1:24:34

are expecting that the asphalt pavement would be um storage containers and so there’d be

1:24:40

less opportunity to park and it’s going to be an active site so we’re unfortunately the Shaw’s site was

1:24:47

abandoned and so folks would pack the free of charge so we’re less concerned about that but again we’ll you know

1:24:53

we’ll see how the summer plays out on that I think the the parking lot we were most concerned with was the daycare

1:24:59

and Miss lesser will be reaching out if she hasn’t already to the daycare folks to offer Jersey barriers that the town

1:25:07

owns to block off that parking lot so folks can’t park there illegally during the weekends it would be up to them to

1:25:13

open and close it on on Fridays then on Mondays but we’re offering that assistance so that they

1:25:20

can keep their parking lot secured as well um I I understand all of that I live

1:25:26

right on morning Park Road so on Saturdays and Sundays I see

1:25:33

the 100 or 200 or more hundred people walking by my house I see the nip

1:25:41

bottles on my yard I see the trash in my yarn but I can

1:25:46

clean that up I’m more worried about nature and about that beautiful Park and

1:25:52

that beautiful Pond and the fact that yes I think your plan is absolutely

1:25:57

fabulous and there are young children that live on my street and I think that’s wonderful because I don’t have to

1:26:03

worry about them being hit by a speeding car however

1:26:08

I also want to know what that policeman that is going to be standing at the

1:26:14

corner of Morton Park and Summer Street as the Walkers keep going by and going

1:26:20

by and going by and up to four o’clock they’ll still going by believe me

1:26:26

what is going to be done to protect our park and I don’t care where they come

1:26:32

from they I’m not worried about who or what city

1:26:37

or town I’m just worried about how you’re going to protect this park with

1:26:42

six porta-potties with hundreds and hundreds of people there

1:26:48

the the your traffic patent is fabulous wonderful but you still have an

1:26:55

addressed how we’re going to protect those trees that Forest that pond

1:27:02

because of all the people that come there and that that is my concern

1:27:08

well we are happy to look at we heard concerns this evening about erosion I’m

1:27:14

happy to work with David Gould and his team around the erosion issues and try to do some renourishment there as well

1:27:20

and it sounds like we also heard that there’s some some litter issues as well but when we convene internally

1:27:28

the complaints that we had heard last year weren’t so much about what was happening inside the park it was what

1:27:33

was happening outside the park so our Focus was to try to remedy the issues that were happening outside the park and

1:27:39

so we aren’t expecting to see drones of folks walking down Summer Street down Morton Park Road for other reasons I

1:27:46

explained earlier so but again you know this is new you know we hope to try it and and hope hope it was successful

1:27:54

Derek um I’m probably you’re I’m probably sure

1:28:00

that you know what I want to say um especially with porta potties and all that can we get some you know I only

1:28:07

have two weeks so I might as well spend some money um maybe we can get another one of those

1:28:14

trailers like we did down at um White Horse Beach because that really has worked out really well there’s no

1:28:20

porta potties down there they’re actually beautiful they’re clean

1:28:25

um maybe even just rent if we can get one at a cheap enough rent or if we can purchase

1:28:33

another one maybe my board will uh support using

1:28:39

Opera funds for it it’s something we can definitely research

1:28:45

um that that trailer costs a town approximately a hundred thousand dollars last year and I believe we use a portion of Opera

1:28:52

funds to cover that cost not the entire thing so we can research that and bring that back to the board

1:28:58

thank you by the 20th try our best

1:29:06

please sure hi Amy De Coast I also live on Morton

1:29:13

Park Road I live right next door to Ruth who you just heard from um I know you’ve all heard me and seen me I’ve been I think most of the

1:29:19

meetings um I just have a couple clarifying questions um and I absolutely love this new plan I

1:29:24

think this really really addresses at least that that street traffic so I am greatly appreciative of that as I think

1:29:31

I speak for all my neighbors on that a couple clarifying questions though so with the that new traffic pattern coming

1:29:38

in on the back entrance rather than coming down my street there does that also I know so they’re gonna have a

1:29:45

police officer there so we’re not allowing any cars down there unless it is more in park residents is that correct not Plymouth residence right so

1:29:52

Morton Park Road from Summer Street that will be accessible for residents that live on one Park Road or or in the park

1:29:59

itself great okay something that designates this yeah we

1:30:05

talked about thinking about a way to identify those vehicles or some type of orange placket or something perfect perfect

1:30:15

and our licenses or you know I just don’t want that to get caught up in the logistics um does that also with that police

1:30:22

detail up there and having that is a one-way are we stopping the walkers from coming in that way as well which would

1:30:27

address some of Ruth’s concerns that she just said with the only walk-in entrance I guess also no we legally we wouldn’t

1:30:34

be able to prevent them from walking in okay okay um that leads me to my next wall I’ll

1:30:39

tell you that one for a second um on this new traffic pattern I know we brought this up at the natural resources

1:30:44

committee that we met with Everett a couple weeks ago um and one of their recommendations

1:30:49

um with coming off of coming out of Morton Park coming out of the beach area coming off of those dirt roads Morton

1:30:57

Park um if the the original main entrance where I live um that is the only paved portion of the

1:31:05

park there’s no speed limit sign coming out of the park the only 15 mile an hour

1:31:10

speed limit sign is when you’re coming off of Summer Street so either folks aren’t aware of that 15 mile an hour

1:31:15

speed limit or again they’re coming off of dirt roads they’re coming off of a you know gravel parking lot and they’re

1:31:22

tending to go significantly faster than 15 miles an hour so I know you talked about new signage if we could

1:31:28

incorporate of the the same sign that we have at the top of the street at the bottom of the street maybe even throw one in the middle that’d be awesome

1:31:36

um if that’s something that’s let’s do it just so I’m clear so you’re asking for a

1:31:41

um a speed sign on Morton Park Road off of Summer Street that’s the only place there is right now so coming the other

1:31:47

direction so if you’re coming out of I think Ian knows you’re talking about so as long as she knows I’m good yes okay

1:31:53

we can fall off we’re like the little gate houses

1:32:05

yes exactly yep so as folks are leaving the park having that 15 mile an hour sign I

1:32:11

think would help awesome that’s great thank you am I pushing it to also ask for like slow children people playing

1:32:17

pets yeah people watching all the things we’ll follow up with our task force

1:32:25

because I’m not sure I don’t even know if Catherine red noses but there are certain rules around signage so I just I

1:32:31

just we’ll thought we’ll if we can do it we’ll do it okay sounds great thank you if not I’ll stick with my Amazon one

1:32:36

that I bought that’s out in my front yard um my last question and then I’ll turn it over to my to my neighbors here

1:32:43

um with the recommendation of increasing to that 125 spots I know again we talked

1:32:49

about this during that um that national resources committee with Everett the one of the things we talked about with if we

1:32:55

were going to increase those to 125 it was with the understanding that a

1:33:00

significant portion of those are designated to Plymouth residents not Morton Park residents but Plymouth

1:33:06

residents so those folks anyone who’s bought their beach sticker for the season um any Plymouth residents who are buying

1:33:13

a day bass so that Plymouth residents who have purchased that Plymouth beach sticker can access the park and that

1:33:20

they’re not stuck in that I know we heard earlier at you know nine o’clock in the morning Park is full can’t come

1:33:26

in so I think one of the things we would love to see put into action is if we’re saying we’re going to have 125 spots

1:33:32

let’s have you know 100 of those for Plymouth residents 25 for for non-plymouth residents I’m overreaching

1:33:39

here but something along those lines aim high right uh it’s an idea we can take a look at I

1:33:48

I mean I would defer to our director regarding the logistics around that and do you have any thoughts on that did you want to come to the podium and

1:33:55

make any comments regarding having 25 designated specifically for residents I

1:34:02

just feel like that’s something we may have talked to in the past

1:34:13

thank you madam chair as well Madam chair um we do have a couple folks that are

1:34:19

online as well so just wanted to let you know okay I’m the recreation Recreation director

1:34:25

here for the town of Plymouth I am I oversee the seasonal staff that

1:34:31

are the lifeguards and the parking attendants and the beach supervisors over at the park so one of the reasons that we had talked

1:34:37

about increasing the 100 to the 125 was hoping that it would eliminate some of

1:34:43

the issues that we had outside the park with the people trying to get in and walk in so increasing it by 25 cars

1:34:50

would help kind of alleviate alleviate some of the issues we had with the outside of the park issues with people

1:34:56

trying to drop off and everything like that so that was one of the reasons why we were looking at increasing 25

1:35:01

Vehicles was to hopefully eliminate what was happening outside the park with the

1:35:06

walk-ins and the drop-off and all that kind of stuff so thank you

1:35:15

I have a question for you about the 125 coming in when people leave do you keep

1:35:22

count of who’s leaving um we don’t um it was part of the Morton Park Beach

1:35:27

plan was that once we reached capacity to shut the park off for capacity for the day so at this point we don’t track

1:35:34

who actually leaves the facility once we reach that capacity we do shut it off for that time being is there staff there

1:35:43

is that something they could do I mean if it would what happens if at noon time it’s half

1:35:49

empty I think it’s something we could try to take a look at

1:35:55

um with us moving our staff up to the top of the road with the police detail I’m

1:36:02

not sure that I’ll be able to count how many cars are leaving the park since it’s that one way having them up with

1:36:08

the police officer at this point yeah I mean if it’s feasible like I just because I heard a couple people complain

1:36:13

yeah that’s so yeah it’s just tough like because the residents will also be leaving that way tracking which ones are

1:36:19

actually beach goers and which ones are residents leaving the park that’s all okay thanks sure thank you any other

1:36:25

questions hi Sarah Levinson on Summer Street and I

1:36:34

basically just want to say thank you it can be a thankless job and I know that when you guys have nightmares at night

1:36:39

Morton Park is often part of it because you’ve heard us talk about it for a long long time this is the most that’s gotten

1:36:45

done and thank you very much Mr mardisi Madam chair all the misters and Ann and

1:36:51

Everett really really appreciate it super hopeful that this will change things at least calm things down one of

1:36:57

the things we were hoping to do ultimately was to deter because there are big crowds I know there’s lots of

1:37:02

folks that um say they’ve been there we live there and it’s big big crowds and hopefully some

1:37:09

of this will deter it what I ask is that we just reserve the right to come back and share feedback

1:37:15

and what we’re seeing um you know there could be a butterfly effect and we’ll see hopefully it’s a

1:37:21

good one and not a negative one but we just want to be able to come back and keep the conversation open fair enough all right thank you thank

1:37:27

you thank you

1:37:33

every maligunity chair of the natural resources committee um first um Miss karako I didn’t know if

1:37:39

you wanted to take the people that are online first ahead of me or if you want me to go first it uh

1:37:46

no you’re here you can certainly

1:37:51

um I did have a little slides through a presentation that I did create it can be

1:37:56

uh shared if wanted if not it’s sort of roughly the exact same that was covered

1:38:02

to now just go into a couple other details so the map that is up on the screen that is

1:38:08

basically um one of our DACA items for the proposal it also includes

1:38:14

um from Pilgrim Hill Road to the route 3 Westerly Road area as a no uh standing

1:38:23

or parking which is one of the main issues that we were having during the past three Summers for people dropping

1:38:28

off people and actually then reloading and then dropping off again and that is

1:38:33

going to be some of the alleviation to the neighbors on Summer Street as well

1:38:40

as some of the residents that are in the summer reach development that’s right across from there and also will

1:38:45

alleviate the neighbors that are right at the Crux of the situation right at the head of the road and also will help

1:38:53

to have the deterrent effect for actually having some of the rampant use that we’ve seen over the

1:39:00

years by people just walking in over taking the park the one-way pattern is our first step

1:39:08

for this and this is why it’s a pilot if it doesn’t work as planned the committee

1:39:15

did have some roads that they did want to change as sort of a proposed parking

1:39:22

District but not necessarily yet we wanted to see how this was actually going to work into effect but if it

1:39:27

doesn’t work as proposed that we do have a list of regulations that the committee

1:39:33

did vote to support for different roads and the types of restrictions for those roadways

1:39:40

um I do want to reiterate that signage is going to be cleaned up that was one of the main things for us at the

1:39:47

especially on the Billington entrance that the main sign with the rules and

1:39:53

regulations had I don’t know I believe it was like 10 12 different other signs that were corralled around that sign

1:39:59

which gave a lot of confusion to people when they were entering the park because they were just uh cherry-picked for

1:40:06

different rules that were changed over the past 10 15 years but this is going

1:40:12

to make it a lot more user friendly for the park and will hopefully be a benchmark for us going forward so that

1:40:18

when we do have our entire sweep of North to Southeast to West for our pond

1:40:24

and Beach review that this would be an actual

1:40:29

um standard for that to make it a lot more easy access for us and will also

1:40:35

help with the uh comment that I know will probably be coming later of the guacamole effect

1:40:40

that we will not be making one Park fine and then making 12 others

1:40:47

the issue for everything moving from one to another

1:40:53

the grills were a bit of contention we were going back and forth with that we want to actually

1:40:59

allow girls to come in but we don’t want to have just people parading them in as

1:41:05

if it was clearance at Walmart and having them go down the street with all the girls so we

1:41:12

wanted to have them in a contained environment so if they come in just walking either carrying them rolling

1:41:19

them down the street they’ll be turned around with them it has to be within a vehicle entering into the parked and

1:41:25

this will help alleviate that and it’s going to alleviate some of the concerns that the neighbors had that they were

1:41:30

not going to have access to grills in there which I understand both sides and this is a

1:41:36

easy remedy that we’re trying to fix and hopefully it’s one that will be uh done

1:41:42

overnight one of the main takeaways that I do want to put on the plate is that

1:41:50

if this that enforcement of this plan and all the rules that we are proposing

1:41:56

for recommendations is not taking into effect this plan is useless if we do not

1:42:03

have enforcement and continued enforcement of this from day one then all this was done for absolutely

1:42:10

nothing and I know that some of that is going to take man hours and taxpayer

1:42:16

dollars for that and that will be defined later hopefully some of the increase for the

1:42:22

additional parking that we’ll do will soften the blow a bit for extra Revenue

1:42:27

but we wanted to make sure that we had Equitable Equitable access for residents and visitors alike while also preserving

1:42:35

the park for future generations and for the residents that call at home and the residents that live here

1:42:42

that want to enjoy everything that they have to offer so if there are any questions asked of

1:42:48

me I’m available for the rest of the meeting if necessary thank you

1:42:56

good evening thank you again uh for addressing all of this I echo my neighbor Sarah’s sentiment

1:43:02

so my name is John warmy I live at One Morton Park Road um so that’s that picture up there is is

1:43:09

my front yard um the Morton Park sign um so obviously you know my concern is

1:43:15

with the foot traffic and I certainly hope your projection of limited foot

1:43:21

traffic this year will be the case but in you know foot traffic is going to be

1:43:26

inevitable either way so my question is what will the enforcement on the exit of

1:43:34

the foot traffic exit of the park B and how late will that be enforced because

1:43:40

my front yard you know in many weekends last year looked like a bus stop and I

1:43:47

had a ice cream truck with people lined up my driveway um after Park was winding down are you

1:43:55

asking when the park will be cleared I’m talking about enforcement so we have the

1:44:02

police detail um that’s you know not allowing traffic down the road but how late will they

1:44:09

stay there and what will any sort of enforcement look like for people congregating at the foot of my driveway

1:44:15

to get picked up from sure I’m going to defer that question to Captain LeBron

1:44:21

Captain did you hear that question okay yes it did um we’ll stick to the same

1:44:28

plan as last year five o’clock um clear the park out and I mean anyone

1:44:34

that’s congregating in the area no vehicles will obviously be able to come down Morton Park Road to pick them up

1:44:41

I suppose Vehicles exiting the park could pick them up although it seems

1:44:48

a little unrealistic but I would just encourage any residents that if you have in those issues of people congregating

1:44:54

just feel free to call us and we’ll send an officer down or we can get a hold of the detailed officer and direct them you

1:45:00

know to your address we can try to move people along um if we don’t know about it we can’t address it so feel free to call but

1:45:08

that’ll kind of be the plan is to try to keep everything moving there’s really going to be no reason for people to

1:45:14

congregate because vehicles are not going to be allowed to come down so obviously if it’s within eyesight of the

1:45:20

officer or PAC staff we’re going to be asking those people to move along and exit the park

1:45:26

wonderful thank you very much appreciate it

1:45:32

uh Gill Freeman I just have a couple of questions regarding the rear entrance

1:45:38

and coming in on the Billington streets entrance the Morton Bridge

1:45:44

is in pretty sad shape in fact I think that’s going to be replaced in the future after

1:45:49

um it gets some design and some prices if I’m correct on that

1:45:56

yes the added um traffic on the bridge

1:46:02

I’m a little concerned that may speed up the degradation of the bridge

1:46:08

I’m not really clear about The Boat Boat Trailers are they going to be coming down one Pike Road are they going to be

1:46:14

forced to go over the bridge are they are the trail trailer is going to come

1:46:20

off Millington Street if you have a bass boat and you want to go into Billington sea you can be able to come down one

1:46:26

Park Road or you’re going to be have to go um the dirt road and over the bridge you

1:46:33

would come down Billington okay some of those those bass boats barely fit down Morton Park Road so

1:46:39

going that sectional Road even though it’s going to be one way now the people that live on branches Point area when

1:46:46

they exit and are they going to be going left or right when they come out will they be will they be forced to go

1:46:52

all the way around and come out by out by the paved Road or whether they’d be able to just shoot out the back like

1:46:57

they have in the past

1:47:04

so Branch Point those folks have the same gratacy is the same as as moan pie yeah

1:47:11

yeah okay because um and as far as uh Recreation since yeah

1:47:18

Annie um yeah folks do a great job I know you have um a lot of like a lot of jobs you

1:47:25

don’t fill all the vacancies I mean you may have a shortage of like lifeguards or attendance hopefully you’ll have full

1:47:31

compliment um and for what you need because that helps because if you don’t have people

1:47:36

then obviously you can’t do your job

1:47:41

um that’s pretty much it thank you

1:47:49

hi me again Amy De Coast um my last question sorry and I know we had talked about this I want to say it

1:47:54

was maybe our very first meeting that we brought to the select board I know we’ve talked about it at some spin-off meetings we’ve talked about it at the

1:48:00

natural resources committee meeting as well I just want to make sure that was still on the table and I think it’s actually kind of uh could be a solution

1:48:08

to some of the things we’ve been hearing with some of the the possible constraints around resources and funding

1:48:13

and things like that I know one of the things we had talked about was switching from a charging per car to charging per

1:48:20

person for those non-plymouth residents who don’t already have the beach sticker right so if a family is coming they’ve

1:48:26

already bought their beach sticker that counts for the whole Plymouth family coming in that in that car

1:48:31

um the the piece we were looking at were for those families that come that do not

1:48:37

have a beach sticker so that could be Plymouth residence or non-plymouth residents of the Plymouth resident chooses not to have the beach sticker

1:48:42

instead of paying that one flat 25 fee per car if you have you know four

1:48:50

people in the car you’re paying x amount of dollars per person um again that kind of goes back to the

1:48:55

deterrent um aspect that we’ve been that we’ve been talking about helps with some of that funding so I just want to make sure

1:49:01

that was still in the conversation I was a trip that was part of this pilot recommendation or if that was maybe a

1:49:07

phase two yeah that’s not part of this pilot recommendation it’s something we certainly can keep on the table as a

1:49:13

potential strategy moving forward okay great thank you I appreciate that I think just um to note too there one of

1:49:18

the things that we were hoping that would help with with some of those walk-ins that I know we still uh would possibly be a be a issue with this

1:49:25

current plan so thank you thank you guys

1:49:31

I just want to know if this board is going to consider the resonance and the

1:49:37

space that there is at the residence only Beaches they can count how many cars they can park there are those

1:49:43

people going to be able to get in because now people’s from Plymouth they’re actually starting to come back to Morton Park to use it but they’re

1:49:50

being discouraged because again they’re being sent away because the people from out of town get their crack of dawn take

1:49:56

up all the places on Main Beach the other pizzas are deserted are you going to address that

1:50:02

so is the question did you say there’s a residence only Beach are you asking for that residence only it’s sticker only

1:50:09

beaches is um at again at the Boysville area in the red

1:50:14

spring residence only so if you have a Plymouth sticker you can go to those beaches and again what’s happening is

1:50:21

that all the people from out of town are going in there and then the people that are residents are told that they can’t

1:50:26

go there and they’re not counting them leaving like was addressed earlier and

1:50:32

so these beaches are empty and these people that buy a sticker are not able to park at empty beaches that I’ve been

1:50:39

down there and my mother who lives on South Street who’s a senior citizen and buys a ticket got turned away at

1:50:45

Plymouth Beach because it was crowded went down to Morton Park I was sitting there alone there was nobody there at

1:50:50

Red Springs and she could not come down to see me and I think when people have a sticker and those beaches are empty I

1:50:56

really wish that this select would just address that because I’ve been talking about it for three years and

1:51:02

and absolutely Morton Park Road excellent job with that I hope that that really works because it would be great

1:51:09

to not have people speeding down Morton Park Road and throwing their garbage out on my property my neighbor’s properties

1:51:15

in the people on Summer Street that’s our goal we have each other’s emails

1:51:21

I know shoot me an email let’s connect a mail at it yeah yeah just get some kind of

1:51:27

system going where some of the people okay this Main Beach is full you know like yeah

1:51:33

um Amy said you know 50 people maybe let 50 residents I know Duxbury does a similar thing on the dealing with Beach

1:51:39

they allow out of town is to get a sticker but they do consider the residents they do this area and shoot

1:51:45

them an email let’s connect on that okay okay thank you very much everybody

1:51:52

I actually think that’s a good idea you know

1:51:58

having lived through many Fourth of July and many weekends in Morton park is

1:52:04

there any way you’re going to be able to advertise to tell people is is going to be in the papers

1:52:10

um because I think all hell is going to break loose on July 4th weekend if all these people arrive

1:52:18

and there’s all these new rules we we know one we know absolutely that this is

1:52:24

going to be a huge learning curve we’ll do everything we can with social media contact the Old Colony but that just

1:52:31

only goes so far and everybody keeps talking about out of town is the out of town is probably not following us on

1:52:36

Facebook so so we’ll so we’ll do everything that we can we know that there’s going to be a learning curve for

1:52:42

folks wanting to pull into what the the traditionally they pull into and we’re just gonna that’s why we have a police

1:52:47

officer stage at that location well what one thing I was thinking of I was told that a lot of people who have come to

1:52:54

Morton Park especially in the last 10 15 years because radio stations and

1:53:00

surrounding South Shore communities especially New Bedford and Fall River

1:53:05

have advertised about Morton Park so I’m wondering if perhaps you could

1:53:13

contact some of these radio stations that some of these folks might be listening to to tell them it’s not going

1:53:20

to be business as usual this year so that I mean on Fourth of July people are

1:53:26

out in front of my house at four o’clock in the morning I can’t imagine what it’s going to be like when they come and

1:53:32

there’s all these new rules so that’s I’m just wondering the communication and perhaps maybe

1:53:38

contacting some local newspapers radio stations anything to let them know

1:53:44

change is coming thank you yep all of the above

1:53:52

what are you looking for here Derek I think you have at least one other

1:53:59

individuals I’m sorry to make a comment Irene Caldwell you can unmute yourself

1:54:12

hello everybody I thought the comments made by everybody were really thoughtful

1:54:18

and responsive um I think it’s an overwhelming task to

1:54:25

figure out what to do about Morton Park and I’m sorry I missed all the meetings

1:54:30

that were being held when these plans were being discussed in the last nine months I don’t know what else I could

1:54:37

have done to say that we have a responsibility to so many people to make sure that

1:54:45

environmentally safe communities exist that the people get to walk to those

1:54:52

Parks or bicycle to those parks and they are going to disrupt the people who are

1:54:59

adjacent to the roads of travel there’s no way that we can protect you from

1:55:05

those people coming in but I was thinking in an optimistic way maybe we

1:55:11

need to have a Plymouth welcoming committee of old ladies you know 78 and

1:55:17

over that go along and say hi Welcome to our Park you know we want to welcome you

1:55:23

what language do you speak how did you get here really welcoming we want you to be part of the citizen cleanup Brigade

1:55:31

really talk nicely to the people appreciate their music and their barbecue and

1:55:37

and then maybe we could be like a really wonderful Outreach Community

1:55:42

where we thought about how are all of these people coming to Plymouth going to

1:55:49

recreate and they’re not going to be able to come to Morton Park and they’re not going to be able to go to the other

1:55:56

Parks so what are we going to do and I hope whatever you do it includes

1:56:02

swimming and I would like to work on the senior Brigade to introduce people to

1:56:08

the lovely rules of Morton Park honestly

1:56:14

um excuse me none of us really please upset me none of us we

1:56:23

these people are welcomed we don’t care if they’re blue they’re green they’re black they’re brown they speak Spanish

1:56:29

or Portuguese or Yiddish or any any language we don’t care about that

1:56:36

what we care about is the beauty of Morton Park the beauty of that forest

1:56:42

and the fact that living on Morton Park Road does not mean that I have to be

1:56:49

woken up at four o’clock in the morning on the weekend that I have to have trash in my yard on the weekend that I have to

1:56:57

go down to Morton Park and find diapers in the woods to find human waste in the

1:57:02

woods all these people are welcome they’ve been coming here for a long time but it has gotten out of hand I don’t

1:57:10

care what music they play I taught at Brockton High School for 20 years I’ve listened to everything

1:57:15

and I liked Brockton High School because it was like the United Nations but we have to have respect for nature

1:57:23

we have to have respect for our neighbors and if we want to welcome people into our community

1:57:28

there has to be rules rules that I follow rules that my new

1:57:33

neighbors follow rules that people who come into my community must follow they’re not just rules for them they’re

1:57:40

rules for me as well thank you so lovely

1:57:47

thank you okay Derek are you looking for a vote

1:57:53

just on the recommendations presented tonight

1:58:00

motion by Mr Mahoney seconded by Mr bletzer discussion

1:58:06

all those in favor roll call Mr Blitzer Charlie bletzer yes yes

1:58:14

Mr Mahoney yes Mr quintal yes myself yes thank you

1:58:28

sure

1:58:39

the next order of business is the proposed let’s take a five minute break

1:58:55

see we are going to go into the town of Plymouth reorganization plan

1:59:06

okay um so um just want to let folks know tonight’s

1:59:12

proposed reorganization plan is one of three presentations so tonight

1:59:19

will be the first night next Tuesday will be what I call phase two and then

1:59:24

on May 16th will be the final presentation so this is a global

1:59:29

reorganization plan it touches many of the different departments throughout the Enterprise

1:59:36

I just wanted to so this is the current structure but just so folks are at home are aware under the charter it’s the

1:59:43

discretion of the Town manager to propose reorganizations abolished

1:59:49

Apartments consolidate departments um and so that’s what I’m doing here

1:59:54

this evening it’s then the select Woods authority to either approve or deny

1:59:59

those recommendations so this slide here is the organizational

2:00:06

structure in which I inherited when I came became Town manager in March of 2022.

2:00:14

you’ll see at the top the select Board of this chief executive body here in town and the select board has two you

2:00:21

know is appointing authority to to entities the Town Council and town

2:00:26

manager you can see here and this is I’ll explain a little bit of how the

2:00:32

assistant Tom manager has three direct reports the airport the town clerk in

2:00:38

procurement and so you’ll you’ll learn through my presentation that having served as the

2:00:45

assistant Tom manager I found this this reporting structure

2:00:51

to be disjointed at best it keeps the

2:00:58

assistant time manager out of the conversations with a lot of the other

2:01:04

major department operations here in town and so as having served the assistant

2:01:09

time manager oftentimes you know I was struggling to to know what was happening with fire police and DPW for example

2:01:16

because I was only focused on those three other areas

2:01:22

um so you’ll see at the at the bottom on the x-axis the big departments that

2:01:28

you’ve all known over the time period

2:01:36

so again as I go through this slide presentation what I’m doing on this

2:01:42

slide because I’m going to focus in on the top manager staffs so we have

2:01:48

not including the assistant time manager six additional staff persons and you can read those for yourselves but I I wanted

2:01:55

to expand that so because some of the proposed recommendations today are going to affect

2:02:01

um the fourth floor

2:02:08

so I’ll start from the left and I’m going to end at the top so my first

2:02:13

recommendation is to take again remember under the assistant time manager the

2:02:19

airport manager reports directly to the assistant time manager having met with the airport Commission

2:02:25

on multiple occasions and going back and forth of a proposed reorganization and

2:02:32

having worked with the airport during my time as assistant time manager and now

2:02:38

knowing the details of Public Works there’s a lot of commonalities in with

2:02:44

public works and with the airport so for example a lot of the front line staff at

2:02:50

the airport are within the same Union as most of our Frontline staff in public

2:02:55

works so that’s the Cobra Union many of these individuals carry similar

2:03:01

credentials such as a CDL many of these individuals both in public works and Airport carry

2:03:08

out similar duties the as you all know the there’s a sewer

2:03:14

treatment plant located at the airport that is operated and managed by our

2:03:20

Public Works staff so for those reasons and for my reason I

2:03:25

stated earlier of wanting to extract the assistant time

2:03:32

manager for only working in those three disciplines my recommendation is to move the airport under the authority of the

2:03:41

Public Works director now you’ll see from the memo that I submitted to the board that there there

2:03:47

are Massachusetts general laws that explicitly um dictate the authority of an airport

2:03:54

commission and within their authority to appoint airport management and appoint the assistant Airport Manager and at the

2:04:01

same time direct Aviation operations and so we’re working on an MOA with the

2:04:08

airport Commissioners so that it’s very clear the lines of authority the day-to-day

2:04:16

um UH responsibilities would fall to DPW director the aviation responsibilities

2:04:21

for fall back to the airport commission and the airport manager so moving on you’ll see the next changes

2:04:28

with the finance department Madam chair Derek what’s the timeline on the Moa

2:04:34

with the airport commission that weeks or months um so my goal to to implement this

2:04:40

proposed change is July 1st so it would be my expectation that we would have assigned MOA with the airport commission

2:04:47

no later than June 30th and is there a

2:04:54

expiration date on such MOA or does that just go on in perpetuity

2:05:01

the way we’re drafting it it would go on in perpetuity because we’re focusing this agreement on statute so unless the

2:05:09

statute changes then the thought the lines of authority wouldn’t change okay thank you

2:05:17

so move to the finance department so I’ll start with procurement so again procurement

2:05:22

um up until today reported directly to the assistant time manager on paper

2:05:29

um one thing that when I came here last March

2:05:34

Lee Hammond was serving as the acting time manager and Miss Barrett serving as our finance director had already moved

2:05:43

in a fashion to um asked the procurement office to report

2:05:49

directly to the finance director it makes a lot of us makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons one but the the

2:05:54

charter requires it so the previous table of organization actually

2:06:00

conflicted with what the charter required but two procurement is a major Finance function

2:06:06

in municipalities putting all of our projects out to bid for goods and services construction

2:06:12

projects so on so forth the procurement officer needs a direct line of communication to the finance director

2:06:21

as you know under the chatter the time manager is considered the procurement officer but can delegate that Authority

2:06:28

so so for those reasons Lynn and Lee had made the right decision

2:06:33

to already operationalize this this model today I’m just bringing

2:06:40

this forward so that it’s hopefully if the board agrees would then ratify what is currently our operations

2:06:49

and then moving down then down the ladder you see the grants office so

2:06:54

um Tom meeting I believe it was much sorry a fall of 21. fall time meaning of

2:07:00

21 had appropriated sum of money to hire a grant writer um that person Tiffany pop who’s doing

2:07:06

an amazing job was um was hired in December of 21 and again I believe

2:07:12

because of the transition of Tom manages it probably made sense at the time just

2:07:18

to keep the grant person in the time manages to sweep again having been here

2:07:23

for a year and haven’t worked in other mottos to me it made most sense to allow a grant person to work directly

2:07:32

with the finance many of what the grant person does is finance related

2:07:38

everything from executing contracts to managing the reporting requirements of

2:07:45

those various grants so for those Reasons I’m recommending moving the Grant Office under the finance

2:07:51

department and again this is something that we had already moved in this fashion during the budget process it’s

2:07:57

we’ve already moved this office on the third floor and from everything that I

2:08:02

gathered in the first two months of this switch things are going extremely well and communication coordination

2:08:10

are taking place uh so any questions on finance

2:08:18

um so the next Slide the next proposed recommendation again going back to what

2:08:23

I had previously mentioned the assistant Town manager and the town clerk being in direct report

2:08:28

um you can tell from my memo that the town Clark who’s sitting here with us this

2:08:34

evening hi Kelly has an extreme amount of responsibility

2:08:41

everything from from our records

2:08:46

to our elections and everything in between this what I’ve learned and it’s mostly

2:08:55

in my five years of opt-in of all the work that the town clerk’s office does

2:09:00

and so quite frankly I need and want to have a direct line of communication with

2:09:07

the town clerk recognizing everything that goes on in that office

2:09:12

and um you know to understand what’s going on the elections and the precincts and the

2:09:18

redistraging the early voting to all the functions of town clerk so I’m

2:09:25

recommending to moving that from a division level position and moving that to a cabinet level position as a

2:09:31

department head any questions on Town clock

2:09:38

so the last one isn’t a department isn’t a division it’s a it’s a philosophy

2:09:45

um so this this um last piece I want to talk was the

2:09:51

quality Council so the quality council is a team of three individuals

2:09:57

diverse backgrounds that we have um hand-picked within the organization

2:10:04

to come together on a regular basis to focus on two main topics in mockerella’s

2:10:11

here he’s he’s actually leading this team thanks for coming mark to focus on two main topic areas

2:10:19

quality improvement and quality assurance so what you what often happens in big

2:10:26

organizations especially Plymouth and other large municipalities is we get busy doing our day-to-day work and we

2:10:33

never take the time to stop we never take the time to stop and look

2:10:38

at our processes and because of that oftentimes we’re inefficient in how we do our work we’re not responsive to the

2:10:46

evolution of the residents needs and the evolution of town government and so the

2:10:52

quality Council gets just at that we have a process in place where if

2:10:58

there’s a complaint or concern that’s filed and we need to uncover what’s

2:11:04

going on with that issue then we would assign the quality Council

2:11:10

to meet with that department to ask very specific questions to go back do their

2:11:17

research and then come back and meet with that respective department on a

2:11:24

proposed set of recommendations to improve that processee we’ve done this a

2:11:29

couple times already within the organization and we’re already seeing many of our successes come to fruition

2:11:37

because of that and then the last thing they do is down the road they’ll come back to that department three four five

2:11:43

months down the road and they’ll do a check-in to ensure that this still

2:11:49

maintaining those set of recommendations and that’s a quality assurance process so again I you know I think it’s

2:11:55

important to note the work that we’re doing around quality improvement quality assurance and so because of that I

2:12:03

wanted to include this in tonight’s presentation and keep the quality

2:12:08

Council within the town structure so um those are my phase one

2:12:15

recommendations phase two will come next week and again phase three of the week thereafter Penning any questions that’s all I have

2:12:24

does the board have any questions or comments John and then Dickie no just a couple of

2:12:30

comments uh first off Kelly congratulations okay

2:12:36

a new promotion and then my only concern is that the this at the airport Commission

2:12:42

and I think Mr Quinto can speak to us long before I was here was that you know they’ve always operated with a fair

2:12:47

amount of autonomy pretty talented group over there for 60 years or so they were a

2:12:53

five-member commission I think 15 years ago they expanded to seven and I just want to make sure that

2:12:58

um you know whatever the finished product is on the Moa directed both sides are happy with it okay absolutely

2:13:04

yes yep Mr quintal thank you Derek on the

2:13:11

wastewater treatment plant over there um I believe it’s built through

2:13:17

the leases that are actually around the airport well that eventually and this we

2:13:23

all be done through town hall and I found out that one time by

2:13:29

accident when they were I don’t know if he was a town manager no or not but Betty’s saying no are you

2:13:35

saying that well what happened was we had what was his name I’m sorry the airport director he just

2:13:41

said before the board one night and we were talking about Apple funding

2:13:48

and blah blah blah so when I found out how many users were there then I asked

2:13:53

the question I was trying to get to how much revenue to wastewater treatment facility plant was making over there

2:13:59

and then I was told that you know we should barely get the records right through here and that wasn’t the case

2:14:06

the actual airport whether it’s the commission or whatever builds that into

2:14:13

their leases and whatever than the way I thought was why is that different than the way we build everyone

2:14:20

else that’s on the on a wastewater treatment and after seeing the condition of that plan

2:14:26

and really you know no upkeep not that the other one was any better I guess I don’t know but why isn’t that one put

2:14:33

out for bid to be uh run also right yeah so the

2:14:38

question about the sewer rates for example came up last year when we were talking internally about whose

2:14:44

responsibility or authority is it to even set the rates is the airport commission or is the select what as we all know the select which sets all the

2:14:51

water sewer rates and solid waste rates here in town but historically it’s it was those rates were being set by the

2:14:57

airport commission so those are the type that’s a level of detail we’re trying to get at to understand whose authority and

2:15:03

whose roles and responsibilities will fall into place as you pointed out I mean the sewage treatment plan upgrade

2:15:09

is fully funded by Opera it’s not being funded by any of the revenues generated by the

2:15:14

airport and so because of that and because we’re using Town forces to support the airport

2:15:21

operations we’re trying to get a better sense of who is going to do what moving forward so because I agree with select

2:15:29

Mahoney I mean to a certainly the airports on an island by themselves they have been acting very independently and so we’re just trying to create a better

2:15:36

line of communication to help with their operations but not we don’t we don’t

2:15:42

want to get involved in the aviation industry we’re just trying to get more involved in the day-to-day operations of

2:15:47

what’s going on over there that’s the only reason I brought it up because we were discussing you know how

2:15:53

you know the funding for the wastewater treatment facility and I was under the

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impression of being told for years that the airport was making money and this

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and that and you know if you back the wastewater treatment funds out of that that’s really not the case and that’s

2:16:10

why I’m bringing it up again uh in the spirit of everything being made out there you know

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I think either it is or it isn’t and I don’t have a problem either way but it should be black and white I mean it’s

2:16:23

it’s either making money or it’s not right and as I think we talked about a top meeting

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um we talked about the fact that there was a small subsidy that was necessary to to to keep that budget um at zero in

2:16:37

as far as the aviation goes will will we have in this reorgan I know it’s early you’re going to come back what will

2:16:44

who’s going to actually be in charge of the aviation portion it’s the airport commission by Statute okay yeah by

2:16:50

Statute they are they have full Authority in controlling the airspace and what happens on the runway things of

2:16:56

that nature okay thank you any other questions or comments for the

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town manager so you looking for a vote to

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I would appreciate a vote this evening for what I presented I’ll move that we

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um Deport the proposed phase one structure

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reorganization as proposed by the town manager

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and I’ll second and I would just say discussion I would

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just ask you madam chair that your motion would be contingent that some MOA that is agreeable to dosage is

2:17:44

uh done with the airport commission yep okay any other discussion

2:17:53

all those in favor roll call Mr Blitzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Mahoney

2:18:00

Mr quintal yes and myself yes thank you Derek okay the next is the

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town manager’s report not that we haven’t heard enough from that I know I need a drink of water

2:18:13

all right uh so I’ll do a quick report the first thing I really want to start off with some with some really good news

2:18:19

uh Karen Keena Public Health director and um Mr Barry potvin our Board of Health

2:18:26

chair have been working very closely with State officials on what is known as

2:18:32

a public health Excellence Grant this is a collaborative Grant with

2:18:37

five municipalities working together on a shared services agreement for public health last year Kingston was a lead

2:18:44

agency they were unhappy with Kingston’s

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leadership so they approached the town of Plymouth asked us if we would be willing to be the host agency which we

2:18:56

agreed to because of that agreement we’re going to receive starting in fy24 a 500 000 grant

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for the next three to five years those dollars will be used to hire individuals such as social workers

2:19:14

epidemiologists food inspectors and public health nurses but

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the town receives of that five hundred thousand dollars fifteen percent comes off the top that goes directly to the

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town because we’re considered the host agent so we will be working with the Board of Health and Cancun as the best

2:19:33

use of that 15 percent and we’ll keep the board posted as how the shirts shared services agreement

2:19:39

moves along the rail trail extension is moving along

2:19:44

as you all know it begins at Lothrop and then connects to the uh the existing

2:19:49

wheel Trail we’re expecting that to be 100 complete within the next few weeks and ready for the summer

2:19:57

the uh again I talked last week about signage political science on public property I received a complaint this

2:20:04

past week that there were political signs on the shops at five home special services department took a look at that

2:20:11

and looked at the layout of the the towns layout and I just want to report

2:20:17

that all the signs that are up there as of today are all on private property and

2:20:23

not in the town’s layout Pilgrim Sands Motel has been sold

2:20:29

there is a company that is known for reh rehabbing these types of structures so

2:20:36

they’re in the process of Designing a rehabilitation of Pilgrim Sands that will include

2:20:42

grease trap septic system and interior Renovations they’re also looking at

2:20:47

other properties in the area to acquire as well um the can they buy Birds yeah

2:20:56

time will tell time will tell please it’ll be a nice hotel

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the the police department received a 21 000 critical incident stress management Grant so congratulations to Chief Flynn

2:21:10

um in the next couple weeks we will be we will be seeking approximately eight hundred

2:21:16

and thirty thousand dollar Opera funding for a police body One camera program

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so we’ve gone out to bid it’s approximately eight hundred thousand dollars this is a program that

2:21:30

you see a lot of police departments especially Lodge police departments across the state are standing to where

2:21:36

the body cams the chief has worked with both unions they are in support of these

2:21:43

uh these cameras we think that it will provide a level of protection for police

2:21:49

officers and for our residents so we’re hoping by if if the board were to approve that sum of money we would be

2:21:55

able to implement the body One camera program by um by early fall

2:22:02

you may recall that at the April top meeting there was approximately a hundred thousand dollars was approved so

2:22:09

that the police department can go through a strategic analysis of their operations so we’re going to be issuing

2:22:16

that RFP within the next week or two and then spend the next 12 months thereafter doing a similar type of analysis of the

2:22:22

fire department went through the hope is with when this is complete we’ll have a a road map for the next 10 to 15 years

2:22:29

on what we need to do from a law enforcement standpoint for years to come

2:22:37

um talking about the police department this coming Thursday from 5 30 to 7 PM the police department will be holding a Narcan training this napkin training

2:22:44

will be held at the headquarters and it’s sponsored by uh by PCL Plymouth

2:22:50

County Outreach and it’s free for all individuals

2:22:55

last week we talked about swing sets at Fresh Pond so we’ve had an opportunity

2:23:01

to look at the structure itself the structures in actually great condition we thought we would have to repaint it

2:23:06

or sand it and actually it’s in really really good condition so what we’re going to do at this point so that we don’t have to trigger ADA

2:23:14

requirements is just replace all the swing sets themselves so that the

2:23:19

the kids can use them this Summer there are a couple that are either missing or broken

2:23:25

last week 60 to 70 DPW Personnel were certified in CPR

2:23:31

that’s a lot of employees now certified in CPI so again congratulations to the

2:23:36

DPW for putting that training together and then I want to make an announcement because I know there was some

2:23:43

um concerns raised the last few weeks about demand notices being sent relative to

2:23:50

folks excise taxes so as of today all the water and sewer

2:23:57

fourth quarter bills went out so I’ll say that again if everybody’s listening home look out for your water and sewer bill

2:24:03

it’s gone out as of today and it’s due on June 1st after June 1st

2:24:08

the demand notices will be sent and again as I and that was about 14 000 notices was sent out today but as I

2:24:16

reported last week we’re working on technology where we can let folks know that if they want they can sign up to

2:24:23

get all their bills sent to them electronically so they never miss a mailing

2:24:29

and then the last thing I just want the report um Lee hamna planning drafts have brought this to my attention today that

2:24:35

last week his office filed the annual update on the community rating systems

2:24:42

um this is something they have to do annually and by doing so it saves every resident in this town five percent on

2:24:48

the flood insurance so I appreciate their efforts in trying to save our residents

2:24:54

um every dollar that they can so pending any questions that’s all I have for this evening

2:25:00

does anyone have any questions for the town manager

2:25:05

questions okay next is Select forward open discussion new business letters and old business Mr

2:25:13

helm I would just like to make an announcement to the residents of Plymouth

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um uh the senior issues task force which was impaneled by the select board last

2:25:27

year has partnered with the gerontology Institute at the University of Massachusetts Boston to conduct a

2:25:34

community needs assessment this is essential uh component of

2:25:40

guiding our town toward becoming an age and dementia friendly Community which is

2:25:46

a State national and international designation that allows us to apply for

2:25:52

and receive governmental grants on our way to actually

2:25:59

fulfilling the concept of becoming age and dementia friendly so we need your

2:26:04

help the survey has been mailed to 5 000 residents so not everybody’s getting it

2:26:11

but if you did receive one take a few minutes it’s only a few minutes it really is not that involved take the

2:26:18

take the survey and send it back the information you provide is going to guide guide us the task forces we plan

2:26:27

to create the great future for our seniors in our entire Community

2:26:32

now you can also go online and take this

2:26:38

you don’t have to have it mailed to you and you can be any age this is not just for seniors we need to hear from all

2:26:44

residents they’ll be they’ll be sort of age-related questions but we want to hear the perceptions of all of our all

2:26:51

of our residents um you know I know that I posted a link on my Facebook page

2:26:58

um you’ll see there’s a link on the Facebook page for the center for active living and you’re going to start seeing

2:27:04

a lot of of social media and online posts that will have this link

2:27:10

um take it take a few minutes I mean it takes about five minutes to do it really click on it and and help us out the more

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information that we have um the better the better our needs assessment will be we’ve already had a

2:27:26

really great response from the 5 000 that were sent out um above what is what is usual which is

2:27:33

you know good congratulations to Plymouth for do for the residents for doing this but uh

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um if you see it and you have a minute you know click on the link um and and complete it it’ll it’ll

2:27:46

really help us out thank you Madam chair through the chair um Mr Helm it is also prominently on the

2:27:53

home page of the town of Plymouth website as well great under news and updates

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anybody else Mr quintal Derek could you check the uh check on

2:28:08

the status of the uh Route 80 Cemetery that they were going to start in the

2:28:14

spring since it’s spring uh maybe give us an update of where they

2:28:19

are with that because I’m very curious and I was of the design correct yes I mean if it’s gone out to

2:28:27

bid or just where they are with that and the second thing and the last thing is the uh the lighting down on the grismal

2:28:34

parking lot I mean I think we’ve been talking about this for like three years well no longer

2:28:39

than that but you know who’s actually has the funding for that and what are

2:28:44

they waiting for I mean it looks terrible it’s rusted off there’s why you know it’s

2:28:51

I you know I don’t know you said this is the light in the Grist Mill popular lighting lighting the Light lamp posts

2:28:58

all of them yeah they’re supposed to be replaced like two years ago I can follow

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up yeah please thank you anyone else

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all right motion to adjourn oh wait well I think Jenny had her handle

2:29:21

nope

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push has to be a bright green light um this is to the town manager and just

2:29:32

wondered where we stand with Stevens Field thank you sure

2:29:40

I can answer that uh so actually Dave Gould and I met this

2:29:46

morning and as you know he’s been taking the lead on Stevens Field project as we

2:29:51

speak right now he said they just started to do the test pist the test pits this week

2:29:57

so what they’re trying to understand is the level of contamination that’s in the soil so the depth of contamination the

2:30:04

width of contamination once they have determined that then they’ll be ready to

2:30:10

put this out to bid so we are still expecting it to go out to bid in the month of May

2:30:19

only a decade anyone else

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motion to adjourn motion all in the favor

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aye motion adjourned see you next to stay