Agenda – Select Board Agenda June 6 2023

Official Minutes – Plymouth Select Board Minutes 6-6-23

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thank you we’re going to the first ride of our

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business will be a public hearing transfer of an annual all-alcohol investment license San Diego’s East

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doing businesses San Diego’s Mexican cookery and bar 51 Main Street Richard

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Sorensen manager to anneljo Plymouth Incorporated doing

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businesses Mexican Bistro 51 Main Street Leo

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well-beloved manager and now declare the hearing opening who will be presenting have anything you’d

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like to say come up to the microphone identify yourself and make sure the green light’s on please

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turn your mic on oh how’s that

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better there you go Jamie supernot owner and partner of Anejo Mexican Bistro we

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own and operate locations currently in Falmouth and Hyannis on the cape I’m

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here with my business partner Jesse Kersey and the our managing partner Blair well beloved

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um he will be the operator on site and we’re looking forward to taking over

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the space the space has been actually owned and operated by my family for the past um several decades as San Diego’s

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um and we’re looking to transfer the license and get open sometime in the near future as Anejo Mexican Bistro

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happy to answer any questions Mr Mahoney

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other than I’m assuming you’re going to do some change of the Interior yes but

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anything major or just kind of like the decor we’re functionally the restaurant is in great shape as far as the layout

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and and those sort of things we’re really looking to bring our nejo brand to the picture and really put a um a lot

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of effort into the design a totally new um lighting plan flooring we’re looking

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to everything from um you know floor to ceiling basically as far as the design element of the

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space obviously the town is well aware of how incredible the space itself is

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with the history of that building so we’re not looking to structurally do anything major there we’re just really

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looking to Rebrand it and and really uplift the design element within the space

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thank you Mr blatter yeah how are you doing uh

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listen I wish you well your brand I’ve heard great things about it thank you I’ve not been to either restaurant but

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I’ve heard great things about your food and Plymouth is a great town to do business and

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we already have some a couple of other Mexican restaurants and uh but there’s

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plenty of business and I welcome you and your hours you’re going to be open uh

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seven days a week seven days a week 11 30 to midnight ish um and 10 30 we do so we do brunch on

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Sundays because that’s that’s real important as you keep that downtown open absolutely so I’m happy for you we’re

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really excited about it and we you know there’s a great um a buzz about Plymouth downtown and a great group of

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independent and operators already doing great things here and we’ve heard some good Buzz about some other new operators

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coming to uh to the downtown district and we’re really excited to be a part of that we have a real diverse

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group of restaurants we get anything from Thai Chinese Mexican Indian uh it’s

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it’s it’s great it’s good to see it’s great great for our tourism too so we’re

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excited to be a part of it for sure and uh and I tell you when that was first built I think they spent eight hundred

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thousand dollars on teak mahogany alone so yeah but I wish you well and good

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luck with you when are you hoping to get open um we’re you know hopefully when the liquor license the

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whole deal is kind of comes together once the liquor license is officially transferred and then we’ll probably be looking towards the fall early 2024.

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what about tonight uh nighttime you’re doing entertainment we don’t do entertainment at our either

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of our current locations we really focus on the food and the beverage program

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um we’re open to it but it’s not part of our currency okay no all right great good good luck thank you

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coach I appreciate it thank you anyone wishing to speak in favor of this

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application anyone wishing to speak in opposition

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and now to clear the hearing closed bring it back to the board but before we I take a motion I realize I read off the

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docket not the actual announcement so I just want to finish that description of the premises will be as follows first

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floor kitchen bar table service second floor Bar Lounge basement kitchen storage and receiving one first floor

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entrance exit on the west side of the building and one entrance exit on the east side of the building outdoor patio

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on the west side of the building to include 11 tables with chairs at each table the applicant seeks to add out to

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our dining tables on the sidewalk and in a parking space per the license agreement from the town

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anyone wishing to be heard on this matter should plan to attend this meeting I just wanted to add that into

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this absolutely I get one more question is

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Blair is your last name really well beloved that’s a good that’s a good sign that

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your name is well beloved so yeah Blair has worked for me for uh with with me I should say for 25 years he’s currently

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the general manager of um one of my restaurants in Austinville and he’s a plus operator you’re really getting a

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quality guy to help us I’ll tell you what I love your name so that’s also a bonus

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I’ll make a motion second motioned by Mr bless the second by Mr

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Canty discussion all those in favor Mr bletzer

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yes Mr Helm yes Canty excuse me that’s okay yes and Mr

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Mahoney yes and myself yes unanimous thank you thank you and good luck looking forward to it thank you

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we have another hearing in accordance with chapter 138 of the

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Massachusetts general laws as amended notices hereby given that the public hearing will be held at Plymouth Town

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Hall 26 Court Street on Tuesday May 2nd 2023 at 602 pm to consider the

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application for an alteration of premises from franciscanianos of Plymouth doing

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business as Osho Cafe tacos and tequila 275 Colony Place Anna Michael manager

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holder of an annual all-all alcohol restaurant license description of the premises is as follows one floor

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consists of approximately 5 800 square feet with one main entrance and exit and

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two additional emergency exits applicant seeks to add outdoor patio in front of

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the restaurant to the left of the main entrance for the food and beverage service cordoned off

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it includes a Hostess station anyone wishing to be heard on this matter should plan to attend this meeting I

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know declare the meeting open the hearing is there anyone here wishing to present

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okay is there any questions or anyone here to speak in favor of this

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application anyone here wishing to speak in opposition

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CNN and bring it back to the board

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Mr chairman I’ll move approval I’ll second moved by Mr Mahoney second by Mr Helm

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discussion all those in favor

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Mr blutzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney and myself yes unanimous

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we have a public hearing on aquaculture license renewal

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Mr I see the Harbor Master here welcome Chad thank you Chad Hunter Plymouth Harbor

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Master you have a public hearing for Catherine Bartlett and Doug Bartlett

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tonight this is actually their first renewal so they were assigned their first license about three years ago and

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they’ve that first issuance is a three-year license

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um they’re looking to renew and extend the license once they go through that first series then they can extend it out

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to 10-year license which we’ve done for every other individual both Catherine and Doug have met and

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exceeded the minimum investment requirements so that’s how we determine use each year so they’ve done that

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and they’re actually currently Landing oysters as corded shellfish Farms so they are producing oysters which is

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really great to see given you know three years isn’t really long to get up and

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running and actually start Landing oysters so they’re doing a great job Doug is here tonight if you have any

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questions for him or if you have any questions for me be more than happy to answer them

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any questions for the hopper Masters or the applicant

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CNN bring it back to the board you got a question okay second second

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motion by Mr Blitzer second by Mr Canty discussion

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all those in favor Mr bletzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney yes and

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myself yes unanimous thank you

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anyone wishing to speak on the public comment

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oh the styles are lining up tonight

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all righty just looking over the licenses

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in one of the licenses in conjunction with the transfer of the

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liquor license in Shallow Plymouth doing businesses in

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Shallow Plymouth Incorporated Main Street Blair beloved managers requesting the

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following licenses also common vigila comprehensive Entertainment Group one

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radio TV Sunday entertainment live entertainment extension of hours 1 a.m

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early Sunday sales 1am

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Sunday sales should that be 1am I think it’s supposed to be 10 a.m yeah it says

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100 a.m but I think oh gee yeah it does I’m sorry 10 a.m okay that makes sense

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so noted that correction any questions on any of the other licenses

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CNN where the boy like to move them as a whole make a motion to move the licenses and

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the license in conjunction with the transfer of liquor license as a group second

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motion by Mr Canty second by Mr Helm all those in favor Mr bletzer yes Mr Helm

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yes Mr Kenny yes Mr Mahoney and myself yes

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then we have a poll petition vehicle for hires

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and we have a one-day wine and malt and a bunch of additional licenses single

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ones any questions on any of those

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the outdoor Amplified news music also drawn and and the poll petition

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okay so we’re gonna move on and special occasion is the last one

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do I have a second discussion

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all those in favor Mr Blitzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Canty yes

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Mr Mahoney and myself yes

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okay on the administrative notes you somebody

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was requesting that we take the first one separately and have a little discussion

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on that is that correct uh

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yes okay so

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do we want to stop there now sure go ahead so I just I was just looking for

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I’m sorry see obviously this is something uh so

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we’re can somebody maybe the town manager someone else just

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inform the rest of the board including myself and the public as to what we’re what we’re voting on in this first one

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and then obviously my second question would have been obviously Mr Helm is willing to step up for this position

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so is there a quick def definition of what’s going on here

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efforts to appoint a committee he is asking for a member of the select board

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and also a member of copc to join him on a committee known as the charter

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review appointment committee and so it would be those three individuals that

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would review a number of applications and then appoint I believe will be a nine-member charter Review Committee

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okay so it’s not it’s not like the select board designee

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will pick three it’s not like the cop designated would pick three in the okay these three individuals are going to get

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together evaluate every resume or application that comes in and then check nine that is correct okay

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Mr chairman Mr balata Derek I have a question what does the uh

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what’s what does the chatter Review Committee what’s their purpose so the charter Review Committee again appointed

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by this select group of three um will review the existing chatter

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um they will I would imagine at least convened for a period of about 12 months and then read back a set of

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recommendations to the town meeting for final approval Charter review committees do not have to

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go to the ballot they can look at the existing chart and make changes to the existing China but cannot change the

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form of government and that would again would receive final approval by Tom meeting at some point in

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the future thank you

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what’s up with that one okay you know obviously Harry is up for this

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is he’s willing to represent the board on this three-member committee yes I am

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Mr Canty uh yes thank you Mr chair um I did want to point out that there is

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a member of the public in the audience that was personally affected or a family member was personally affected by the

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dangerous or nuisance dog issue in administrative note number three I don’t

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know if that individual wanted to be heard or was just in attendance due to the interest that they have but I

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if they did want to be heard this would be an opportunity that they could

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hi my name is Masha Sheridan and I resided at 26 Bonnie Briar Drive for 42

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43 years we sold our house to our son last summer

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and my three granddaughters lived there now and in February they were getting

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off the school bus in their own yard and they were

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attacked by the dog next door the dog was on a leash and had broken away

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and went crazy he went after one of the little girls three times

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and both of them needed to go to the emergency room for treatment and I just

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wanted to make sure that you’re aware of a little bit of the background to what

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happened there it was totally unprovoked and I do think the owners of the dog are

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responsible owners but there’s something wrong with the dog and he doesn’t belong

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in a family neighborhood all the houses are very close together in that area and

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I just wanted to make sure you are aware of some of that background

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thank you thank you

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Jared can you speak uh what’s uh number eight will prove and execute a local

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Initiative Program application for a project at 195 4th

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Street yeah so the the lit program is for affordable housing and so this is just a

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application submitted by the property owner on Court Street for affordable housing

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okay thank you and I’d like to uh put a thank you out there to Mr cushion it

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looks like he granted us easement to a cemetery in Cedarville yes at no charge that’s right

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very nice thank you we actually send out uh I have Anthony maybe write up a

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letter and I’ll sign it and send it off to him thank you that was nice of him definitely

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Mr chairman Derek it’s an administrative note

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six and seven I believe so I remember we if we go back a month

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or two I know the um Miss cavaco had brought up

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individuals talking about beat stickers and I think it was a scenario where

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there was some people that might have sold a vehicle or somehow lost one

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didn’t want to have to be charged to get a replacement sticker um

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and I think I can remember exactly what you said I think there was some sort of solution

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that was brought up for those individuals who had reached out but that’s not reflective

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I don’t think we’re actually changing that policy if I look I don’t know what page that’s on Derek

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Uh Kevin again but the policy still stands

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because he still stands with respect to um they should bring if the you know can you sell their cards they’re supposed to

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bring in a corner of the sticker and prove that they have it so I guess where does it stand with respect to those

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individuals who had reached out a month or two ago and wanted to right so there was one situation one

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case that we were made aware of that individuals sold their vehicle and did not understand the policy and so

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therefore didn’t take a piece of the sticker when they saw the vehicle so as

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I requested at the time select when cavaco to ask that person to bring in

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the the bill of sale from the vehicle they purchased and then and maybe some

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other Transportation right and so we requested that so that we can verify that they did

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purchase a new vehicle and they did sell their previous vehicle okay and moving forward though but the

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policy that aspect of the policy will remain the same that’s correct okay thank you

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any other comments or questions from the board okay looking to move

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one through ten second motion by Mr Mahoney second by Mr Canty

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all those in favor Mr Blazer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Mahoney yes oops Mr Canty yes to

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myself yes I’m just trying to go to the same water so it’s easier for Anthony okay then we have the chat about

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operator recommendation uh the Harbor Master Mr Hunter

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hello again uh chat Hunter Plymouth Harbor Master um so before you tonight you have

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a memo um to establish a a charter boat area

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there’s one or two slides that we’ll we’ll get to but what we’re looking to do is formally establish

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the charter boat area at Town Wharf to allow additional opportunities for Plymouth Harbor Mooring holders also to

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enhance tourism and allow small businesses an opportunity that did not exist

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this has been a priority of the harbor committee and several owner operator Charter businesses that have come

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forward and we’ve probably been talking about this for close to about 12 months now

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Harbor committee has discussed the proposals on numerous occasions but voted the following recommendations at

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the March 16 2023 meeting um so really what what is it what are we

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doing here um the area is an extension of an existing private Charter area to the

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east it adds approximately 75 feet of town owned floating dock space a wash

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down area and filet table to be accessed by those Mooring holders wishing to

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participate in the program who can participate to participate in the program and have

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use of the area Harbor committee and the Harbor Master developed a list of criteria with the input from the Charter

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Oak charter boat operators and the town wanted some assurances that charter boats operating off the town floats

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would meet all U.S Coast Guard licensure and safety protocols have the

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appropriate level of insurance coverage and maintain safe access for others that

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walk across these floats because there’s also access for tenders and Skiffs that

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are tied up here as well um so just going through the recommendations

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first of all the charter boat owner must be a mooring holder in the town so in

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the Inner Harbor the idea behind that was we didn’t want to overwhelm it’s a fairly small area we didn’t over want to

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overwhelm that demand and we feel as though out of the existing Mooring

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population there’s probably six to ten charter boats that will use this space and we figured that that was manageable

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so we wanted to make sure that we were supporting our Mooring holders

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the second recommendation was completion of the U.S Coast Guard uninspected

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passenger vessel safety examination and this was a program it’s a packet

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that the Coast Guard will actually come down to your boat and they go through everything from do you have a license to

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do this to how many life jackets are needed the flares they go through it

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really top to bottom make sure that they’re running a legitimate charter boat operation

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this program is actually voluntary um but we thought this was the best way

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to make sure that the charter boats using this area are doing so appropriately and safely

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uh in the charter boat operators were um you know a lot of them already complete this anyhow so that was a good

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standard to use the general liability insurance listing the town of Plymouth is additionally

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insured the coverages these are pretty standard across the board it was what the insurance company

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had recommended that we recommend the charter boats to have to protect the

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town oh

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let me just go ahead one just so we know what we’re Where We Are

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oh just kidding

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perfect okay so this was important to the the

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presentation just to give you an idea of where we are so to the right of the

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slide this would be is the pointer word oh yeah like Tavern on the wharf is here

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Woods is just kind of off the screen you get the Captain John boats out at the

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end so this area in green is the private charter boat area that

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um has been in existence the yellow this is the new designated charter boat

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area and then the purple obviously you can see a number of Skiffs tied around the back

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um so this area has a couple of nice features to it obviously the gangway

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from parking so there’s a couple of boating access parking spaces that were

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designated last year with pgdc’s approval so these areas are for really

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loading and unloading dropping people off dropping gear off and obviously that

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will bring you right down the gangway to this this yellow area so it’s a prime location very visible from Water Street

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it’s a pretty good spot so the other recommendations

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we obviously wanted to promote Equitable access of all charter boats by limiting tie up time so if we are operating you

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know if there’s six to ten people operating out of this space you can see you know if you kind of look

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over here there’s three boats you know that’s probably the maximum carrying

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capacity at any one point so we want to make sure that as people come and go uh

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you know that they come in they drop their people off they wash down fillet fish and then they leave the era and

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make it available for somebody else to use um the other

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one recommendation five was to keep the float area Clean and Free of debris tripping hazards obviously we have a lot

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of foot traffic that comes down the gangway and goes out to their Skiffs so we just want to make sure uh hoses

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um you know fish boxes anything that they might have on the deck that they keep that passenger way clear and open

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so nobody trips there’s no public drinking while at the dock

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the areas to be used by charter boats actively engaged in Charter operations so this isn’t for recreational use it’s

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for businesses using that for their Charter operations

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and the last one was the the fee so the charter boat fee was recommended

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fifteen hundred dollars of an annual fee that they would pay to the town and include obviously the the other

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recommendations in there we did hear from one charter boat operator after the harbor committee

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meeting I included the email with your packet just concerned about the overall cost of insurance and the cost to to use

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this space but other than that if you have any questions be more than happy to answer

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them and we’re looking for your recommendation any questions for the Habit master

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Mr Canty so Chad could you just expand upon because of that email we did

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receive about the objection to both the cost and at least what that individual is currently covered in terms of

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insurance how you reached the figure for the cost and the Insurance liability

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recommendation or requirement so the insurance recommendation was recommended to us from the town’s insurance carrier

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and it’s also consistent with the other businesses using the pier so that was something that we really didn’t feel we

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had much wiggle room on the fee itself was actually recommended by the charter boat operators

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we could not find really many comparable charter boat fees typically they’d be in

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a Marina and the marina costs are much higher than this and typically they would leave their

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boats at the dock so it’s dockage as well so it was hard to find a comparable

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that kind of broke that you know use and access not keeping your boat there for

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the year so we didn’t really have many comparables we do have two in town that

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are similar in nature and I think I pointed those out so the lobster boat operators pay a hundred dollars addition

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to their Mooring fee and then if there’s a business that’s using the pier so like

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a fish truck or they pay a thousand dollars a year to use the pier so

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couple of other commercial user fees that we have obviously those are significantly less but just as

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comparables thank you any other questions

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I have two Chad sure the fee money where does that go do you keep any of that to reinvest in

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all the renovations that you all just got done doing down there uh upkeep or anything like that I believe this fee

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would go to the general fund so the answer is no correct so the second

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question who’s in charge of the maintenance say for um

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down there the wall so the the float the floating docks we obviously maintain the

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town does so we own them we maintain them um so they’re not having to invest money

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to do that so that’s one benefit to that and they they show up in the spring the floats are in in good shape the

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gangway’s there um and then in the fall we’ll we’ll break them down the town breaks them down and maintains them so you just look

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for you know if you need something replaced you just put it in a radical and go to town meeting that yes I’ll get

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a grant which you guys have done I say you guys Dave is in the audience you’ve worked very well for the town yeah in

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that respect yeah if it’s if it’s a minor fix we obviously have an operating

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budget that will cover uh Light maintenance of these um but if it’s something like replacement or complete

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overhaul yeah that would typically be a town meeting request now in these leases

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that you have uh you’re drawing up in any of the leases down there when do you

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visit those in look at an increase our percentage increase

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so they don’t stay the same for like x amount of time so some there’s

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obviously different uh renewal periods so some of them are three and three uh

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year renewals and you know typically you would look for comparables at the renewal uh then some of them are a bit

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longer term um I know Captain John boats which I think just renewed uh recently within

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the last month or so typically when they’d come up for Renewal you’d look for some sort of

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comparable figure and adjust it at that time in Whittier boltzbach they used to be

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like on the top where the purple yep so the the yellow space

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you know in years past obviously with the with the office over here uh we had

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our boats in this area um let me see if so this is this is the

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other side so let’s say the north side of the pier so you have a lobster Hut here the maritime facility here so we’ve

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moved our boats to this green face with Skiffs on the back which we have a whole

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new boat ramp project which will extend the the floating docks significantly but we’ve also added so you have the

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launch here this is 15 minute tie up space which we didn’t have the last

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couple of years with all the construction and I can tell you that’s right outside my window and that gets

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used a tremendous amount so it’s really nice to have that available for people

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but it’s very similar to parking so we have a skiff crowding issue and whenever

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you create space or dedicate space for any type of use that’s kind of a push-pull factor but hopefully with the

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boat ramp project we’ll have additional skiff space we’ll be able to to maintain these these uses the 15 minute in the

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charter boat and hopefully we’re in a good space in my last question I I know and I think

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I have this right they went for funding with the VSP and was that for Moorings

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right more additional warrants yeah correct where what area is that that’s for somebody visiting the town they’re

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called the fed or yep so we uh can you show us with all that uh so I can’t I

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can’t pan over uh but basically the The Mooring field you can see there’s a couple right here

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um when we re-grid The Mooring field we put all of the Town transient Moorings together and we put them close to town

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with the idea of trying to lure or encourage people to come ashore right

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um because you know it’s one thing for them to visit and stay and sleep on their boat in the harbor we want them to

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come ashore we want them to go get something to eat so we tried to make that as convenient as possible for them

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to do so obviously with the maritime facility they have restrooms they have showers they have laundry and the idea

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behind that was you know don’t just stay at night won’t you stay you know a few nights so the longer we can keep them

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here more money spent in town whether it’s fuel restaurants so and we’ve had a

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lot of really great feedback over the last few years whenever somebody stays with us they leave us reviews really um

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so we’ve actually had I think last year was our we were 4.7

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out of 5 star review so we get a lot of returning people that come back because

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they’ve enjoyed themselves and uh it’s a great advertisement for the town as well

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how many how many of the loans do we have roughly in the water right now for the visitors 12 12. and you’re going to

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keep expanding on that um so you do not have the space well you have to be careful because you obviously

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have a lengthy Mooring list and we want to make sure those people have I see what you’re saying yeah so we were very

36:38

balanced in our approach and out of the 12 Moorings there’s certain times of

36:43

year where we’re full obviously like Fourth of July and um but for the most part between our

36:51

Moorings the yacht club has Moorings safe harbors obviously has plenty of dockage we all kind of see that same you

36:59

know at the same time everybody’s full but we always try and accommodate people and make sure they stay

37:05

thank you thank you any other questions we’ll chat motion from avoid

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approval second move approved by Mr Mahoney second by Mr

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Canty while those in favor Mr bletzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney

37:25

yes and myself yes thank you that’s okay

37:31

next is American Cruise Lines agreement

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I can take that so uh to the board as you know

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um the town and its officials the chairman of the Harvard Community Field Chandler

37:48

our Harbor Master myself and many others have been working very closely with the

37:55

American Cruise Lines to come to an agreement with for a

38:01

three-day pilot agreement as you know we had to work very closely

38:07

with the lobsterman and the fishermen on this agreement to make sure that we wouldn’t prevent access to the winches

38:13

and we believe that we’ve been able to accomplish that we had a meeting just a couple weeks ago with the American

38:19

Cruise Lines sent down the boat captain which I think was probably something we should have done six seven months ago

38:26

he came down he met with a number of the lobstermen to just walk the wharf look

38:32

at areas where they could tie up so that they wouldn’t prevent access to those winches and they were able to find an

38:38

agreement on that um so because of that what’s presented to you this evening is uh again a

38:45

three-day pilot agreement American Cruise Lines is asking to tie up on August 19th August

38:52

26th and September 2nd for a total cost of three thousand

38:58

dollars for those three days of ties up tie up we would then assuming things go well we

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will then revisit this with the harbor committee who voted unanimously just this past Thursday on this agreement

39:12

and then hopefully if things go well enter into a much more long-term agreement so Penny any questions the

39:21

agreement is before you for a final approval any questions with a child manager

39:28

Mr Mahoney question not necessary questions Mr

39:34

chairman but comments and just confirming so there

39:39

was a lot of angst over this and I know there was a lot of work and a lot of people got together a lot of

39:45

phone calls coming to um where we finally are tonight still looks to me like it’s three consecutive Wednesdays

39:52

the last two Wednesdays in August and the first one in September I believe the last two Wednesdays in August and the

39:57

first Wednesday in September Okay so so it’s basically like a three trip

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rehearsal that’s right that we’re going to be keeping an eye on this and

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um I hope that the board and the public knows exactly what time the ship is coming in on each of those three days

40:15

and maybe more importantly if one of those three days is going to

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have a much lower tide cycle upon arrival than the other two because

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that’ll be a that’s a significant variable in this and I just so it’s my understanding is that

40:35

notes will be taken there’ll be an analysis done of all three of these trips then we’ll get into labor day

40:40

after Columbus Day somewhere and the stakeholders will sit down and do an analysis of what happened and if it’s a

40:46

complete train wreck then obviously we’ll probably never revisit this again but if it’s not that bad then we’ll

40:52

tweak a few things and then look look at entering some a much larger agreement entering the summer of 24. is that

40:59

fairly accurate yes okay thank you in in the terms of that agreement Still Remains to be seen how many stops that

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would be what period of time that would be but again we want to get through these three pilot days before we even

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enter into those conversations right and that’s that’s why I mean I I want to

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make sure I get down to at least one of those and watch how this ship Maneuvers through that channel and not that I’m an

41:22

expert at this but I think we all should see this firsthand and so it’s it’s just very important that we know the times

41:28

when that ship is arriving on those three Wednesdays thank you

41:35

Derek thank you this is a good an example of I mean a

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lot of work went into this years ago all the money that was spent in dredging the harbor was was exactly for this kind of

41:47

use and this just shows that the the administration the town manager with

41:53

Chad David you guys all work together uh with with the businesses the fishermen

41:58

and also the tourism piece to to make this work and it’s it’s an example of

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everybody sitting down together and working out you know the bugs as as they

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say and it you’re going to try it it’s and and see and there may be some more issues

42:16

that have to be worked out but in the end this is going to add to our tourism which is our number one industry in

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Plymouth it’s going to help the tourism it’s going to bring people and it’s like 110 people at a time into our town and

42:30

hopefully this works and we can in the future have a lot more uh cruises come

42:35

to our town and hopefully the fishermen everybody works together on this and the

42:41

restaurants everybody the businesses all the businesses selling merchandise you know can all uh gain from this but I

42:48

give you guys all credit for for working together and I give the fish the lobsterman I know there was some meat I

42:55

was in one of the heated uh and and and and they because it’s their livelihood

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they’re worried about but everybody in the harbor committee too but everybody

43:05

reasonably respectfully worked this out and hopefully I you know knock on wood

43:12

hopefully this goes smooth for you but anyway thank you

43:17

any other comments or questions on the board

43:23

okay then boy’s pleasure move approval

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discussion I was in favor Mr bletter yes Mr Helm

43:35

yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney yes myself yes

43:41

if now that that’s been approved thank you very much um as as you all know there was there

43:46

was a lot of consternation with these negotiations so a special thanks to our state delegation

43:51

rep miracuri and then even the former Senate

43:57

President Teresa Murray got heavily involved in trying to bridge this Gap to get this done so again a lot of

44:04

appreciation to them for helping us get here thank you I know I should have mentioned them I’m sorry thank you for

44:10

adding that Derek thank you thank you

44:16

Department of Public Works 2023 role program Mr Downey

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believe

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chairman board uh James Downey acting

44:41

Town engineer for the town of Plymouth so I’m here tonight to talk about the 2023 Road program

44:54

our road program covers about 377 miles in Plymouth

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out of those 377 we have accepted and unaccepted Roads about 243 accepted

45:07

roads with 229 of those being paved and 14 miles of gravel road

45:14

we have unaccepted roads of 134 with 74

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miles of paved and 60 miles of gravel for a total paved roadway network of 303

45:27

miles and 74 miles of gravel road

45:34

last year’s program included the paving of four miles of roadway it also

45:39

included 29.7 miles of roadway preservation which included crack seal

45:46

and rubber chip seal we also had made some drainage improvements at various locations and

45:53

sidewalk improvements as well from last year’s list of Paving and

46:00

reconstruction projects we had streets like Billington Street Cherry Street

46:07

Commerce Way Court Street Elliott Lane Hemlock Street

46:13

Hilltop Avenue Murray Street Pearl Street

46:19

Pine Street Sycamore Terrace Teaberry Circle

46:24

Turnberry Drive and Valley Road this accounted for about

46:30

3.97 miles of Paving for rubber chip seal last year we had

46:39

chip sealed the following streets Beatrice Avenue Derrick Drive

46:48

Drive Dixon drive Freeman Circle Freeman Drive Jessica way Jonathan Circle Kayla

46:57

Circle perseverance path persistence Cove and

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Zion place for a total of 3.25 miles of unaccepted Roads

47:15

we also have an extensive list of streets that we performed crack sealing and with approximately

47:23

60 000 linear feet of unaccepted and 80 000 linear feet of Onyx of unaccepted

47:32

for a total of 26.37 miles of crack seal

47:39

this slide here shows our a map that we produce that depicts the streets that we

47:46

have paved over the last five years we have this on our website and we provide it for contractors to let them

47:52

know what roads are under moratorium after they are paved

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this slide here shows an existing condition analysis which takes a look at the whole Road

48:08

Network employment the 303 paved miles of road and it

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breaks it into different categories of repair method So based on each Road’s

48:20

condition it falls within either a major Rehabilitation a minor Rehabilitation

48:28

some roads fall under preservation preventative maintenance others are routine maintenance and then

48:35

there are others that fall under no maintenance required when you add up the cost of each of

48:41

these types of works for the linear mileage of each category you could see that the the total

48:49

needed amount of money to to address every street would be over

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135 million dollars

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this chart here is another analysis tool showing the existing condition analysis

49:08

and currently based on that last slide if you were to give our road Network

49:14

agreed from 1 to 100 we currently have an rsr

49:19

Road um system reading of 68.95

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in order to maintain that road grade we would have to spend about five and a

49:32

half million dollars a year just to stay on on on that same average

49:38

if we increase our spending to 7 million over time we have a a better outcome

49:45

which will raise our overall road rating

49:52

this year’s 2023 Road program James yeah

49:57

all right can you come back to that prior slide please

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not that one the next one right there okay so

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I’m sorry the next one John there you go thank you okay

50:19

all right so if we maintain five and a half million a year but you’re only saying for the next five years correct

50:25

that is right this is all all 300 plus miles of roads will

50:30

basically should hold steady at about 68 to 69 percent rating okay

50:36

but if we want to get up to seven or eight and a half million per year for the next five years we

50:43

could get it up in a little bit over 70 if you go in eight and a half million over the next five years we could get a

50:49

road rating in theory up over a little bit over 72. that’s correct okay just for the next five years

50:55

yes if you spent that money each year over the five years in theory it would it would raise the overall grade of the

51:03

network to that all right thank you okay

51:09

so for this year we have three funding sources that go into our programming we

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have a town meeting article the FY 22 town meeting article for five million dollars for Road preservation and that

51:23

can be spent on accepted as well as unaccepted roads we also have some money

51:29

from the the FY 19 Town meaning article for gravel roads so this money was year

51:36

mark year marked for gravel roads both accepted and unaccepted

51:42

and then the third sauce we get is chapter 90 which is a hundred percent for accepted roads only and that comes

51:49

from the state when you add all of that anticipated

51:56

funding that puts us at about just over eight million dollars with six and a

52:02

half million for accepted roads and 1.5 million for unaccepted roads

52:09

this year’s program will include um

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Road reconstruction and Paving of four miles Road preservation of 38.3 miles

52:21

which includes 28.4 miles of crack seal and 9.9 miles of rubber chip seal

52:28

we will also be looking to do drainage improvements at various locations as

52:33

well as some sidewalk improvements as well our list of road paving projects include

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Rocky Hill Road Court Street Juniper Street

52:47

Buzzards Bay Drive Summer Street Federal Furnace Road Billington Street Samoset

52:55

Avenue Stafford Street Town Street and Ash Street

53:04

that all adds up to about four miles of Road

53:14

crack seal we’re going to look to do on various streets throughout town so we

53:19

anticipate about 28.4 miles half of that being accepted roads and half on

53:25

unaccepted roads rubber gypsio will be looking to do on

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Lund’s way Sweeney Lane Gabrielle Lane Nathan Lane Kim Circle

53:37

Joyce Drive Lynn Circle Arthur Circle Welton Drive Thompson

53:44

Circle Jennifer Circle moroski lane Long Pond Road Carters

53:50

Bridge Road and another section of Long Pond Road

53:55

as well as Carver Road Jacqueline Lane jammery Drive and J Street for a total

54:02

of 9.9 miles drainage projects will include work on

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lunsway Sweeney Lane other various private roads within the

54:13

ponds of Plymouth as well as Davenport Road Winthrop Road jamery Drive J Street

54:21

Jacqueline lane Long Pond Road Carter’s Bridge Road Little Sandy Pond Road

54:28

91 manomet Ave and Samoset Ave

54:34

sidewalk projects would include work on Hamilton Street as well as town-wide panel repairs

54:41

throughout Town Clifford Street Standish Avenue sandwich Street

54:48

Resnick Road hedge Road Route 80 Stafford Street and Town Street

54:58

other streets that have been identified but are under evaluation include halfway Pond Road Wareham Road black hat Road

55:06

Little Sandy Pond Road Hyannis Road Indian Ave Sandy Pond Road Samoset

55:13

Street Carver Road Long Pond Road Apollo 11 Road and Standish Avenue

55:27

there are also some before and after photos that we’ve taken showing some of

55:32

the recent work

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and they were open for questions and I don’t Anthony I think there was a video that is that on the

56:11

and then Anthony’s going to queue up a video that just goes along with the presentation to hopefully answer some

56:17

other questions and then I’ll be here for questions and answers any questions from the board of comments

56:25

Mr Helm so um I’m going back to the slide

56:33

where you kind of break down uh the

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repairs needed major Rehabilitation minor Rehabilitation preventative maintenance routine maintenance it’s

56:45

where it’s in the middle of your project before the uh right before the slide that Mr Mahoney was referencing

56:54

um and I’d I’d like you to get a little bit more clarity I guess

57:01

or examination of the major Rehabilitation

57:07

which is says that it’s a Reclamation full depth and that we’re talking about 58 road

57:15

miles in the town of Plymouth okay yeah so to expand upon that

57:21

um so we’re talking about our paved roads what this is referring to is out of the 303 miles so we had a company

57:29

come in um in the past and then more recently to a value to ride every street and

57:34

evaluate their existing conditions so every street had a different grid what

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this is saying is 58 of those are in pretty pretty rough shape

57:46

and when they get to a point where they’re in in really bad shape we consider that a major Rehabilitation

57:53

which includes a full replacement of the pavement structure so there’s there’s

57:58

two ways of of accomplishing that one is they could bring in a machine and they

58:04

reclaim the road which means it kind of pulverizes the existing pavement into

58:10

the sub base mixes it grades it and compacts it and then you pave over that

58:15

so that’s what we consider reclining station and then full depth construction is another situation where the road is

58:24

in really rough shape you may not have had a really good pavement structure to

58:29

begin with so Reclamation wouldn’t really be as beneficial so in that case the full depth what they do is they

58:36

excavate the full depth of the road to remove what’s there bring back

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um a good sub base which would be like a dense greed material and then they they

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repave the road so yeah a couple questions along those lines at 58 total miles of major

58:55

Rehabilitation um how many miles in 2023 and how many

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miles in the 2024 program address these 58

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miles okay so let me just I’ll kind of take a look

59:15

at the list for this year so I would say Rocky Hill Road did not

59:20

fall into that category um

59:26

Juniper and Ash are close to full depth full depth construction those were

59:32

gravel roads so there was no pavement structure there that would require Reclamation so they probably will have

59:38

to excavate full depth bring in the base and then pave well you know James you

59:43

don’t have to run through each one of those but I I would like to know

59:49

um at some point you could send this to me and the rest of the board members how are we addressing the 58 miles that

59:58

need major rehabilitation I mean it seems to me at four five six

1:00:04

miles a year we’re never going to get ahead of this it’s it I mean in major Rehabilitation

1:00:11

you know the the other things minor Rehabilitation and all that and I understand but when you get down to preventative maintenance routine

1:00:18

maintenance no I mean the when I look at 58 miles which is the

1:00:24

second largest length after minor Rehabilitation and I see that we’re doing four or five miles a year I don’t

1:00:32

see any way that we ever get ahead of this and I don’t see any way that you

1:00:39

know we don’t continue to hear people complaining about the streets that they live on that that fit into this major

1:00:47

Rehabilitation category and and I’m I’m concerned about that and I I understand why you you’re doing what you do and how

1:00:54

many you can do I understand about the pavement program and all that stuff but I’m kind of questioning whether that

1:01:02

pavement fund is actually ever going to get us to

1:01:08

a point where we aren’t looking at 58 miles you know one-sixth of our our

1:01:16

you know one-sixth of our streets needing major Rehabilitation I don’t see how we ever get in front of that

1:01:23

uh well it is definitely a challenge um what we would like to what we would do is we we try to do a little bit work

1:01:31

in every category no I understand so so those that are in that rough shape we do try to pick away at that but at the same

1:01:39

time what we try to do is we try to prevent other roads from getting into that category where it would then be

1:01:45

even more expensive so the problem is and you’re right it is a very difficult

1:01:51

and almost very hard to manage situation because we don’t have enough money to do

1:01:57

all the roads but um we do the best we can to take care of

1:02:03

the the full depth roads but we try to also focus a little

1:02:08

bit more on the roads that are in that need the minor repair or in are still in

1:02:13

the preservation phase because that that helps keep them out of the more expensive

1:02:20

um cost category which would than exponentially increase costs even

1:02:27

more no I I understand that but it seems to me that that

1:02:33

we’re just sticking fingers in a dike at this point and and

1:02:39

the the residents taxpayers of Plymouth

1:02:45

need to know that we have a plan to get a to get ahead of this as opposed to

1:02:51

just not even treading water at this at this point I would guess

1:02:57

um you know and I understand how frustrating it is for you I’m not and I’m not pointing fingers at anyone I’m

1:03:03

just wondering if we need to examine how we’re funding our road repairs if we

1:03:10

have this number of 58 miles of road that once again the second the second

1:03:18

largest amount of road road miles that need major Rehabilitation and the the

1:03:24

first one is minor Rehabilitation so you’re you’re you’re basically trying to

1:03:30

attack those as much as possible so that they don’t end up in major Rehabilitation land but I’m not sure how

1:03:36

successful you be at that and you know it just seems like you guys are like

1:03:41

Sisyphus rolling a rock a giant boulder up a hill you know and it gets to the top and it rolls back down

1:03:48

um and if that’s the case you know you know good government requires that I I

1:03:54

think we look we need to look into this you know and we depend upon you guys to raise your hand and and raise a flag

1:04:02

and say we’re getting behind this isn’t this isn’t you know we need we need to

1:04:07

address this in some way

1:04:13

Sheila scarsi acting DPW director you’re completely 100 correct once these roads

1:04:20

hit that major Rehabilitation Mark it’s cost prohibitive I mean we have 58 miles

1:04:27

the short answer is yes we need more money so that five million dollars we ask for every other year to get above

1:04:35

that 68 we’re going to need more money but the other thing we’re trying to do and

1:04:41

you’ll see and this is what you’ll hear the most about from the residents of the chip seal so we’re really trying to hone

1:04:49

in on more of that preventative maintenance and the biggest bang for

1:04:54

your buck is the rubber tip seal that’s also the application that you will get

1:05:00

the most complaints about it is extremely cost effective you had a slide I don’t know if it was included in

1:05:07

this um that had the costs for the ship seal versus The Mill and overlay

1:05:14

so I want to say yeah I think I think that slide that had the overall cost I think it did associated in an average

1:05:21

cost to use treatment so I want to say rubber chipsy was about ten dollars a square foot or square yard and

1:05:28

full depth there’s a hundred so it’s a tenth of the price so yeah so Sheila while you’re talking about rubber chip

1:05:34

seal which I have no idea what that is and I would imagine that most residents have no idea what it is

1:05:40

um since a lot of them are probably watching or listening um could you explain what it is so that when it comes

1:05:45

to a neighborhood near them they understand it yeah so we’re focusing on the ponds of Plymouth development this

1:05:53

year and also Jacqueline Drive J Street um so it’s in James jump in here if I

1:06:00

have it wrong but it’s an emulsification so basically they come in and last year they did all six miles of roads in about

1:06:07

three days they come in they spread it with a a rubberized uh there’s rubber

1:06:14

there’s Stone fragments and they basically spread a glue down and that

1:06:20

holds the road together so what happens is after they treat it we have to sweep

1:06:25

the road but it continues to unravel for a while it takes a couple years actually

1:06:31

to pack it down but it does an incredible job of preserving the road

1:06:37

one of the reasons why we’re doing this in the ponza Plymouth is those roads are

1:06:42

very poorly constructed so we have no road base under them

1:06:47

they’re also very wide so again it’s cost prohibitive to do a million overlay

1:06:53

we actually can’t do a Mill and overlay because we’re going to break into the sand so that’s why we’re targeting that

1:06:59

neighborhood and you do get complaints after the application goes down you do but we are

1:07:07

using the rubberized product in the past we did just a stone chip seal which you get more complaints about the rubberized

1:07:14

is a better product we’re going to try to increase our sweeping after this goes

1:07:21

down this year to minimize complaints but just to give you a heads up that is a way to get that overall rsr

1:07:30

road rating up so we want to attack these roads before they get to that major Rehabilitation point

1:07:37

so that’s why we’re doing it Mr Blitzer so it’s all about the money

1:07:43

obviously Derek I have a question for you excise tax

1:07:49

what are we bring in a year in excise tax and isn’t that supposed to be a microphone for the roads

1:07:55

so there was um there was a very creative and John was on the board back

1:08:01

then so you could probably explain it better but those are very creative uh funding mechanism that Lynn Barrett came up with a few years back that used the

1:08:09

Delta of the existing excise tax in the new excise tax the revenue access tax

1:08:16

that new Revenue was placed in this stabilization account for pavement management

1:08:21

so that’s how we’ve been funding this this program over I would say last five or six years now I can certainly get you

1:08:29

the numbers as to what that growth has been that Delta over the over that period of time so you can get better

1:08:34

sense of funds I mean is it growing enough I know from Amazon we’re getting what three quarters of a million from

1:08:40

Amazon I believe wasn’t that for excise alone I’d have to check with the fine instructor that’s

1:08:46

the number I heard I don’t know for a fact but is it growing enough that we’re

1:08:51

able to put more money than five million into a year into that fund I mean sounds

1:08:57

to me like without raising taxes we have to if we can figure out a way to get

1:09:02

more money into that stabilization so they can do more miles than five or six miles a

1:09:09

year so that’s something I you know hopefully we can figure that out

1:09:15

and no we certainly could take another look at the numbers but I believe the that

1:09:21

um increased Revenue that number goes annually into this stabilization account

1:09:26

but I can double check yeah um just to just to clarify because I was on the fincom when when Lynn created the

1:09:34

pavement stabilization fund what every year she budgets for an amount that we

1:09:40

are going to collect in excise taxes okay and she’s very conservative about that because you don’t want to

1:09:47

overestimate an income she underestimates it every year and in the

1:09:52

past that of that difference that Delta it in the year of what was budgeted you

1:09:59

know up here versus what was collected um is put into that fund so the only way

1:10:09

that it’s really going to increase is if Lynn becomes more and more and more

1:10:14

conservative because I bet she’s budgeted for the Amazon money okay so because that’s a given and so the only

1:10:22

way that that the amount of money coming out of the excise and into this is going

1:10:29

to increase like I said is if she becomes more and more conservative so I mean I think that what what what Charlie

1:10:36

is is talking about is that maybe we need to revisit how we’re funding the

1:10:42

pavement stabilization because I like I’ll go right I’ll go back to it I know I’ve said it like five times tonight I’m

1:10:49

really concerned about the major Rehabilitation of 58 miles when we’re only doing four or five miles

1:10:55

a year so yeah and also Sheila you can attest

1:11:01

what a big problem this is I mean you the phone calls you must feel I can’t

1:11:07

even imagine so so you know better than any of us well we all get the calls too I get calls all the time and Derek and

1:11:14

uh but so you know you you know that it’s a real problem so yeah and one of

1:11:21

the things I always do whenever a resident calls is I direct them to that pavement Management program which is on

1:11:28

our engineering division website and we go through our where’s your road what is

1:11:33

your rsr rating and and right next to that it gives you the rsr rating and the

1:11:39

amount of money estimated to repair your road so that’s always an eye-opener for the residents because you

1:11:47

know people have no idea how much money it costs to pave the road two years ago we

1:11:52

paid about two miles of Beaver Dam Road that was about 750 000 that was just a

1:11:58

million overlay so when when you have this year we actually

1:12:04

have a lot of money more than normal because we have a backlog from last year we weren’t able to get to all the roads

1:12:11

we wanted to last year we had issues scheduling our contractor they were so backlogged so the money doesn’t go very

1:12:18

far especially once it hits that full-scale reconstruction

1:12:25

Mr Canty so um either for Sheila or James in terms

1:12:32

of capacity not not in terms of money because money is an object but if it were not an

1:12:38

object in this if we found 135.5 million dollars tomorrow

1:12:44

um there’d still be the labor what you’d actually be able to accomplish in a year or over a two-year span so putting the

1:12:51

money aspect aside what is the capacity of the Department of Public Works to get

1:12:56

this work done is this are you at a capacity in terms of money and labor hours or if more money were made

1:13:03

available do you have the capacity to take on the more work because it doesn’t

1:13:09

make sense to increase your funding if you can’t spend it but yeah so that what I just alluded to that’s what we’ve just

1:13:16

dealt with the past two years our contractors didn’t have the labor force to get the work done so we had a backlog

1:13:23

so one of the things we’re doing this year we’re adding a second Paving bid

1:13:29

we’re calling it a small Paving project bid because our contractor you know there

1:13:36

are only geared up to come in to to make money really they want to come right to Plymouth and pave lengths of road so we

1:13:43

have these other areas a town where we might have a short segment of Road that’s in bad shape it’s nothing that we

1:13:49

can do in-house but it’s not cost effective for our Paving our main Paving

1:13:55

contractor to come in so we’re going to be putting that out to bid in the next month or so to deal with some of these

1:14:01

sections of roads for example on Long Pond Road in front of the high school entrance there’s a section A Road that’s

1:14:08

kind of torn apart it’s not cost effective for our main Paving contractor

1:14:13

to come and do that but a smaller contractor could so we’re looking at those options but yes if we got 135

1:14:21

million dollars tomorrow there aren’t enough paving contractors in the area to come in and get it all

1:14:28

done so do you have an idea of like right now you’re doing four to six a year in terms of this Paving do you have

1:14:35

an idea of what the capacity for that that portion of it actually is in a year

1:14:40

if money were not an object well I don’t think we’ve reached the

1:14:46

capacity yet so I think that was something that we could continue to kind of figure out I would imagine we could

1:14:52

probably double the work and not hit capacity but I you know 135 I can

1:14:59

say we couldn’t do right right I understand that right right no no yeah

1:15:04

right um so back to the I know you’re you’re queued up for your video but um your

1:15:12

those photos of the befores were those major rehab roads or were those

1:15:18

different levels of because I mean they look like there were roads in a war zone sure so those were a couple different

1:15:25

levels um some of them were the full depth rehab from last year and then some were more of the um the minor rehab so

1:15:32

those were those were the paving projects so whether it was a mill shim

1:15:38

overlay which is the second category down or a full depth so I think

1:15:44

the hilltop Pearl those were the full depth the Full

1:15:50

Construction okay thank you yeah Mr Mahoney

1:15:58

so James can you take the video down and go back to that major slide with the 135 on it or is that not possible oh I can

1:16:05

go back yeah

1:16:14

I spent 90 minutes earlier today with Mr Downey down at the stone bridge club in the Pine Hills

1:16:20

a given update on that under old new business okay

1:16:29

so just building on some of the comments for my colleagues so that slide tells me

1:16:34

one thing and one thing only proposition two and a half has never worked it doesn’t work has never worked

1:16:42

and never will work okay Mr quintil asked a question earlier

1:16:48

about where the harbor mass of certain fees went um that money the auto excise tax should

1:16:56

never zero none of it should have ever been allowed to go into the general fund so

1:17:02

I look at the 135 and there is a positive there because when I sat on the board in 2017

1:17:09

I was told then that the number was also 135.

1:17:14

so if the numbers are accurate or the analysis is accurate and it’s still 135 that tells me that we’re not making the

1:17:21

problem worse okay we’re Treading Water we’re not lowering the the liability but at least we’re getting something done

1:17:27

positively because in my opinion you were starting from a point of zero when

1:17:34

that program was implemented by Miss Barrett and

1:17:39

she had done an analysis that over the prior 20 years the auto excise tax at average going up three percent a year

1:17:45

over 20 years so what she was trying to do was allow it to grow up grow in the general fund at one and a quarter

1:17:51

percent take off that Delta of one and a half to two percent

1:17:57

and put that into the fund which in theory should be paying back the borrowing costs of the

1:18:03

the five million the five million and the 5 million so I wish that Lynn was here today because it’s all about where

1:18:11

is the money coming from so I think we’re in a good position this year because you said we have 8 million right

1:18:17

but what are we doing for the next four years and that’s a big question mark correct

1:18:22

it would be yeah I mean every year we do get the chapter 90 but we would be looking for more money as well correct

1:18:28

so I agree with my colleagues that analysis has to be done

1:18:33

um I would I would love to see that number begin to slowly go down I know we

1:18:40

deal with things like pandemics and inflation but um the road I always reference is River

1:18:46

Street James and Sheila I don’t know if that was the worst Road you’ve ever seen in town there’s a lot of uh roads out there

1:18:52

competing for that title but that one was pretty bad in my opinion sure but

1:18:58

um I there are positives here you’ve got to remember especially when you look at that top category that 83 million the 58

1:19:05

miles that is Decades of doing nothing and that occurs in all 350 cities and

1:19:13

towns in the state that’s how infrastructure is handled so

1:19:19

whatever Lynn could recommend but I get no problem so we’re in a good place this

1:19:25

year the question is what do we do next fiscal year because there’ll be a drop off right in funding yes yeah

1:19:31

okay all right James thank you yeah thank you now the easy question

1:19:38

when you and I know you have a scenario how you do this evaluation

1:19:44

um are we doing each part of Plymouth pretty much fairly I mean we’re doing South Cedarville yeah West Plymouth

1:19:51

because when I’m on the road all the time I hear you know yeah so we do have

1:19:56

the map that shows that we do try to spread the wealth so there’s a lot that goes into the equation

1:20:02

um that being one of them so so so we do keep that in mind definitely the next

1:20:07

time you do one of these presentations if you could add on the slide like you know such and such street because I know

1:20:13

a lot of them I’m sure everybody knows some of them but cwl management that way we know okay we’re looking I just think

1:20:21

it’s everybody can pick up on that I’m still like yeah

1:20:30

um I travel ones way an awful lot and that road was horrible and uh that

1:20:35

rubber chipping it looks stupid but I’ll tell you it works uh you know because you have a patch here big little it

1:20:42

looks kind of foolish but I’ll tell you it works that Road’s 100 better thank you

1:20:47

the chip seal isn’t done that’s just step one of the chip seal on lun’s way right now so that was the patching that

1:20:53

we needed to do before we do the chip seal application it’s going to be in July yes I can get it

1:21:02

so with the rubber chip seal um and that’s that falls under the the payment maintenance or management uh

1:21:10

component of the chart but in some cases we go to roads that are in

1:21:15

pretty bad shape and what we do is we try to make some improvements before we

1:21:20

chip seal the road so runs away for an example that was one that we had noticed

1:21:26

that there was some deficiencies potholes drainage improvements that needed to be

1:21:31

done some crack seal will be coming as well so so we do the shim course and that kind of takes the curse out of the

1:21:38

road surface and then so we make all the repairs it’s almost like if you’re working in your house and you have to

1:21:44

paint a room and you have to fill holes you know you put the Spackle it’s smoothed it out but it looks bad and

1:21:50

then the rubber chip seal would be the the primer and paint so once the rubber chip seal goes down you don’t see those

1:21:57

inconsistencies anymore they get covered with the with the road surface and the

1:22:02

rubber chip seal the way that goes down is they spray a liquid asphalt with 20

1:22:09

rubber chips mixed in and then they Cascade or drop Stone on that rubber

1:22:16

asphalt and then they roll it into place so it’s a very quick process and it

1:22:23

really seals the road and keeps the water out and it’s very helpful to

1:22:29

maintain its life and the last thing that I have is um I

1:22:35

had a request from my residents on South Cherry Street which I do travel once a while it’s

1:22:41

really it looks like your failed your road section what I saw at spatch after patch

1:22:47

but you could email me uh something I can give you the resident’s name okay

1:22:52

tomorrow I’ll email it to you and you can respond to them okay do you need a vote on this Derek

1:22:59

no okay no this is informational and then just uh just for for reference I

1:23:04

didn’t know where to fit this into the presentation but this is something I came came across and it kind of helped

1:23:10

um elaborate what we try to do well and what we’re tasked with

1:23:16

that road gets a little further from new

1:23:21

left untreated that pavement only lasts 10 to 15 years some cities and counties

1:23:27

wait until the road is in need of major repairs before they remove and replace the pavement that type of fix gets

1:23:34

really impossible especially considering all the roads in a network each getting

1:23:39

closer and closer to failure and closer to expensive intervention this drains

1:23:45

the budget and puts the whole network on the path to deterioration but some agencies are getting 40 years

1:23:53

of life or more from their asphalt Rose by preserving pavement with

1:23:58

cost-effective surface treatments communities are keeping their good roads in good shape for much longer that saves

1:24:06

the budget and the network in the long run and there’s less downtime for major construction which keeps residents happy

1:24:14

still some roads are past the point of preservation what to do with deteriorated roads why not recycle the

1:24:21

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1:24:27

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1:24:33

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1:24:41

proactively managing our road network instead of just fixing one failing Road

1:24:46

at a time Road managers can put their Community back on the road to success

1:24:52

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1:25:00

line and it kind of helps put it into a little bit of perspective and it does go

1:25:06

it’s part of what we try to accomplish you may want to start with that next

1:25:12

time yeah not that I’m critiquing you but that no I’m glad you said that like I said I

1:25:18

found that late in the game and I didn’t know where to put it in and I’m glad it got put up at all thank you Anthony

1:25:26

anything else from the board thank you very much

1:25:33

Town boat ramp update Mr Gould

1:25:42

good evening everyone David Gould director of marine and environmental affairs I have a couple of presentations to

1:25:49

provide tonight the first one is a combination of a status update on our boat ramp project but also the t-warf

1:25:55

extension you have any cartoons first I do not I apologize

1:26:02

I need to talk to James next time I do a presentation I’ll see if I can get one

1:26:07

um this this discussion came out of um some conversations we had about how

1:26:12

we might be able to better accommodate uh the cruise ships that would come in and also accommodate the lobsterman and

1:26:20

fishermen and the boat ramp provided an opportunity to to do that so I’m going

1:26:26

to go through um what we’ve been talking about what we’ve been looking at so it’s a brief background we’ve been working on several

1:26:31

projects in the harbors you know the bulkhead the boat ramp and the maritime facility when we did that we permitted

1:26:37

through the Army Corps of Engineers What’s called the Zona reconfiguration and essentially what we did was ask for permission and had one designated

1:26:44

Geographic error if we could install 20 new piles those are the piles that are driven into the seabed to support

1:26:49

additional floats we got that permit and we’ve been doing that as part of all

1:26:55

these various projects we we installed some new piles for the bulkhead project to allow more tender space we put in new

1:27:01

piles for the floats that Chad mentioned earlier outside the maritime facility we’re going to be putting in new ones as

1:27:07

part of the boat ramp project we actually will be replacing the ones that we put at the maritime facility with steel piles and concrete floats

1:27:14

so at the end of that what that allows for us to do is have four additional piles out of those 20. and what we’d

1:27:20

like to do is add those to the end of t-warf and that would basically extend the wharf

1:27:28

we would install four 24-inch steel piles and we put concrete floats on those and that would extend uh t-warf T

1:27:35

Wharf when it was originally constructed we thought about how we could construct

1:27:42

that in a way if we had expansion opportunities in the future so if you go to the end it was actually constructed

1:27:47

with a cut in its curb which allows replacement of a gangway so that’s already in place the additional length

1:27:54

would be about 50 feet that’s what we could do with our zone of reconfiguration in that pyramiding and

1:27:59

what it essentially it would do is allow the cruise ship an additional 50 feet to tie up which brings them North and

1:28:04

allows for that last winch which is really critical for the lobsterman and the fishermen to remain

1:28:10

accessible to them with no impact so that’s something we’re looking to do it

1:28:15

provides additional space for boats and tenders even when the cruise ship is an import so there’s value in it in and of

1:28:22

itself and where the boat ramp comes into it is that the cost to do that

1:28:27

engineering design work um aligns pretty well with the boat ramp project so there’s a little bit of

1:28:33

additional survey design and permitting that we need to do in that that contract’s getting underway now but the

1:28:39

boat ramp project came in exceptionally well in the bidding process so the bid

1:28:44

came in at 1.3 million we had 1.65 1 million

1:28:50

so one million of that is from the state from the state economic Seaport Economic Council so the towns into that project

1:28:56

for three hundred thousand dollars the remaining funds we look to go to potentially go to town meeting in the

1:29:02

fall to either reallocate some of those funds or appropriate some additional funds to be able to do this additional

1:29:08

work that would allow the cruise ship to come in one of the things we’ve learned from the boat ramp project too is that

1:29:14

that project will start in September those concrete floats right now have a significant lead time so that is part of

1:29:21

why we’re looking to get this design work going right now so we will have a better sense of what that will cost at

1:29:28

fall town meeting but we want to get those ordered as soon as possible so that we can hopefully have all of those

1:29:36

piles and floats installed sometime in the spring early summer so the cruise

1:29:41

ships are coming back we have a much better way to accommodate them and

1:29:46

accommodate the lobsterman so that is a a brief overview before I go on to my

1:29:53

next presentation I can take questions now where I can wait to the end that’s that’s up to the board any questions

1:29:59

from Mr Gould so for the first one you’re not looking

1:30:04

for a motion or anything you’re probably going to return with a Tom eating article correct

1:30:10

I think the important thing was we wanted to let you know that in in the community know that we’re doing what we

1:30:16

can to accommodate the cruise ships but we’re also looking to do um even more

1:30:21

um to ensure that the lobstermen are not obstructed from getting to the winches

1:30:28

that they need access to and I think we can do that I think we can do that at a reasonable cost and obviously one of the

1:30:35

things we’ll do in the future which I know we have some meetings coming up is continue to talk to the state about the state pair as well so I think there’s

1:30:42

some good options and discussions going on there so I wanted to make the board aware of that and if I just could real quick I just

1:30:48

want to be clear that this creative idea didn’t come because we were having

1:30:53

conversations with the cruise ships because even if the cruise even if we don’t sign a long-term agreement with

1:30:58

the cruise ships as David pointed out this is going to create more dockage and more opportunities for Thai up for for

1:31:04

any any whether recreational boat is or anybody else that uses that space over there so looking long term this is a

1:31:11

great investment for the wolf in and of itself I think sometimes Chad and I realize

1:31:18

when we do some of these permitting like the Zona reconfiguration or leaving access ways in structures like t-warf

1:31:25

it’s more work but I think these are the kind of situations that sometimes arise in the

1:31:31

future and you’re you’re glad you you took those steps um it affords you a little bit more creativity

1:31:38

the second presentation is an update on the long beach coastal access Pier as

1:31:44

some of you know this was some funding was appropriated to tell me you need to investigate the use of some Town land on

1:31:50

the harbor side of Long Beach to put a coastal Pier that would provide alternative means for people to access

1:31:56

Long Beach one if they don’t have a 4×4 vehicle or if they have or we have

1:32:01

vehicle closures during the shorebird nesting season funds were appropriated at a town meeting and there was

1:32:07

discussion at that time about funds available for construction as well

1:32:13

this is what um one of the designs we would do that would afford us some

1:32:19

opportunities for construction funds so you could have tenders tying up on one side and phishing access on the other

1:32:27

and that affords you a diff a couple of different pots of grant money that we considered as possibilities for the

1:32:34

construction before we got to that we want to do analysis and see what would actually be required to provide as much

1:32:40

public access to such a structure and we went through that and we have some conclusions and recommendations for you

1:32:48

let me just go back and that is that I do not believe based

1:32:54

I’m missing a slide here and I apologize for that there’s a slide here basically

1:33:00

I’ll I’ll go through that with you so you have it that if we were to do an 80-foot gangway

1:33:06

from that lot to the new peer we would have about 165 total length linear

1:33:12

length of peer that would cost about 682 thousand dollars it would provide about

1:33:18

three feet of depth so you’d get small boats that could come in and tie up to that vehicle I mean up to that structure

1:33:24

that would afford you about 50 of the tide cycle that it could be used if you wanted to go from the pier all

1:33:32

the way out and utilize the entire title cycle it’s about a thousand linear foot long PR structure which I know sounds

1:33:39

completely unrealistic Until you realize that our next town over sandwich is

1:33:44

currently building a 1300 foot linear foot Pier structure at the cost of three million dollars

1:33:50

so certainly not recommending that but it is it is something that is feasible

1:33:56

now I also want to update you is that thirty five thousand dollars from the environmental Affairs fund was approved

1:34:02

for this study there is 28 147 000 left we do not need to expend any

1:34:09

more for that seven thousand I think we’ve reached the conclusions that we need so I just want to make you aware of

1:34:15

that so my recommendation based on those cost considerations and based on other

1:34:21

infrastructure priorities we have that I don’t believe that we should move forward with it I think it was valid to

1:34:27

look at it and research what the cost would be and what the uses would be but I have a couple of examples on

1:34:33

infrastructure projects that we alone in Marine environmental Affairs are looking at Calvary placements pedestrian bridge

1:34:39

at Jenny which would connect parks and public spaces the T Wharf that I just mentioned and hopefully partnering with

1:34:46

the state on the state Pier so that’s just our department obviously the school’s police fire and everyone else

1:34:51

DPW that have infrastructure projects so based on looking at that analysis I simply don’t think it’s a project we

1:34:57

should move forward with but I did want to provide the board with an update on that analysis

1:35:07

okay I’m going to uh move on there’s my slide

1:35:13

that I was missing there you go uh David Jones

1:35:20

obviously I thought that was a very important question that needed to be answered especially with respect to the tide cycle and access

1:35:29

I’m glad that we finally got that report in I hope that that report is made public

1:35:34

in that that report you know the board already has it is shared with the state delegation yes we

1:35:40

can provide it on the website and it’ll have all of the elevation in the survey that

1:35:46

was done out there that that really looks at the fact that you really have to get out to about a thousand feet because it’s so flat out there to gain

1:35:52

as much access as possible and that’s really one of the things that makes it cost prohibitive but we can we can certainly show that and again it’s based

1:36:01

on priorities right I mean there’s a community next door that’s spending that money because they think that’s a priority I simply

1:36:07

don’t recommend the town doing that with all of our infrastructure needs so we’ll put that on the website and make sure

1:36:12

Anthony has access to it and can get it I understand that um I you know I’ve said this for years

1:36:18

that especially during the summer months if you get out to the end of Long Beach obviously on a rain a

1:36:24

day when it’s not raining it is heaven on Earth and it’s extraordinary out there and

1:36:31

I think our job has always been to seek alternative ways to increase access to that beach it’s

1:36:39

not an easy lift we know that obviously it’s 680

1:36:44

um you know I couldn’t endorse that but my question would be is in my opinion we don’t walk away from this this is put

1:36:52

on the back burner I get it we have all these other infrastructure needs but

1:36:58

what does the state bring the bear on this is there anything here are there a multitude of uh buckets to access yeah

1:37:06

there are small peer programs the reason I showed that t configuration was if you were allowing some phishing accesses

1:37:12

division running Fisheries fishing funds that are available for things like that so there’s definitely pots of money that

1:37:17

could offset costs to the town but you’re probably still looking at 50

1:37:22

of that cost at a minimum if not 75.25 right but again we spent a little over I

1:37:29

think seven thousand dollars to do that analysis and it was certainly worth looking at in in doing that analysis

1:37:35

right yeah and then the last question I would want to absolutely answer it is you know what what does the state

1:37:40

actually do they bring anything and if what if they do what is that number so yeah I think it’d probably be at Bassey

1:37:47

would be a 50 percent project match probably more likely the town putting something in the 75 percent

1:37:53

range in the state putting in at 25 right something like that okay thank you you’re welcome Mr Blaster David uh I

1:38:03

like your honesty and I like your way of thinking that it’s not a priority right now is we can spend the money in places that

1:38:10

where we need it more so I’d like your honestly anyway if I can I appreciate that thank you you’re welcome and I

1:38:17

agree with you 100 so the third presentation

1:38:25

um which will probably take a little bit longer um is on the shorebird and OHV program

1:38:30

at Plymouth Long Beach and just for those that aren’t familiar OHV is off highway vehicle it’s just in an acronym

1:38:35

that’s commonly used by the Commonwealth

1:38:41

so a little bit of a brief discussion and background as to um Long Beach I’ll provide that I’ll

1:38:47

provide some background on the regulations that exist and why we have

1:38:52

to do the things that we do out there so you know just from a very big picture

1:38:58

standpoint some of the applicable laws and regulations that impact what we do at Long Beach there’s The Endangered

1:39:04

Species Act and essentially there’s two Endangered Species Act as the federal and then there’s the Massachusetts Endangered Species Act

1:39:11

um they do have uh species that are concurrent they do have some that are separate and I’ll speak a little bit

1:39:16

more about that there’s also the migratory bird treaty act and then there’s the state Wetlands protection

1:39:21

act and I highlighted some of the coastal resources that are listed on the say Wetlands protection act and I think

1:39:28

it’s important that a little bit of emphasis to be placed on that because I think that’s definitely one of the

1:39:34

Forgotten regulations that we are required to adhere to and there are

1:39:39

certain requirements in our management plan that specifically reference these resources and protecting them and I’ll

1:39:45

speak to you about some of the examples going forward

1:39:52

so we call it Esa or Endangered Species Act and some of the definitions often hear people say to us that piping

1:39:59

plovers for example are not on The Endangered Species Act they are in fact under both the federal and the state

1:40:05

they’re listed as threatened species Under The Endangered Species Act so

1:40:10

there are certain categories within both the state and federal Esa endangered threatened in what’s

1:40:18

called a species of special concern but because they’re listed as threatened it does not mean that they’re not on The

1:40:23

Endangered Species Act I can assure you that they are both on the state and federal and aged Species Act

1:40:31

one of the other questions we get is what constitutes a take so a take typically I think most folks would would

1:40:39

think of a take as you know an animal species was killed during an accident or

1:40:46

mismanagement and a take is a much broader legal term so I’ll actually read

1:40:51

this to you it take means to harass harm pursue hunt shoot wound kill trap capture collect or attempt to engage in

1:40:58

any such conduct so that’s a very broad term so when we talk about legalities and what a take means that means if

1:41:04

someone’s harassing one of these animals or flushing them off a nest or exposing them to conditions that they otherwise

1:41:10

wouldn’t be exposed to that constitutes a take so it doesn’t have to just be

1:41:16

that an individual specimen was killed it can be much less than that and still be considered a take onto both state and

1:41:22

federal law so Wetlands protection act Wetlands

1:41:28

protection act is a state law and it lists those Coastal Welding resources areas that are subject to

1:41:34

protection from damage and I I listed some of those in the front but those are things like Coastal Beach Dunes tidal

1:41:41

Flats what you would typically think of at a coastal Beach which is obviously what Plymouth Long Beach is

1:41:47

now I have in there that’s why the crossover Gates unlocked in the winter for those of you with long memories

1:41:53

um you’ll remember that um the shoulder program was managed at the end of the season which was typically

1:41:59

um September October at the gate the crossover gate would be left open so in the winter you could drive out on the

1:42:05

beach and come back in 2003 when we finally resolved most of

1:42:11

the legal issues that the town was dealing with the state department Environmental Protection said well how

1:42:16

will you protect the Wetland resources areas out on Long Beach even when shorebird nesting isn’t happening

1:42:24

so that’s a very difficult question to answer when no one’s out there so in lieu of having staff out there in

1:42:30

December January and February in case someone wants to just go out on the beach the easiest most effective way to do

1:42:36

that was just simply lock the gate that way it assures that people aren’t driving on tidal flats or on the beach

1:42:42

or on the Dune areas and that’s the most simple basic way to do that unfortunately

1:42:48

one of the questions we often get is about Beach grooming we call seaweed rack Rack seaweed has macroinvertebrates

1:42:57

and other insects that are food sources for endangered species so when you go to

1:43:03

the end of the gravel lot at Long Beach we call that Manchester point from Manchester point to the point of Long

1:43:08

Beach that area you cannot beat you cannot groom that beach because you would be disturbing the food sources for

1:43:15

the endangered species which would constitute a take so you could wrap you could clean the beach the main Beach you

1:43:21

could remove seaweed there because we don’t have pipe and plovers or other Shorebirds there but the reason we don’t do it from the from Manchester’s Point

1:43:27

North to the point is it would in fact cost you to take we get that question quite a bit

1:43:36

so species I think most folks are familiar with the main species with what we’re dealing with out there which is

1:43:41

piping plover but I also wanted to let everyone know that there are other species out there both on the state and

1:43:46

federal level the pipe and Plover is threatened under federal and state Esa but we also have lease turns which are a

1:43:55

species of special concern under Massachusetts Endangered Species Act we also have common terms of Rosie it’s

1:44:00

arctics and Red Knot is a is a bird that we see that um migrates to Long Beach

1:44:06

late summer and fall and that is also something that’s threatened under federal and state laws so when we start

1:44:13

to do see most of these other birds um starting to migrate and leave our

1:44:20

beach we have others that are coming to our beach so every time we leave the beach open later to vehicle access in

1:44:25

September and October we have to be cognizant of the fact that we have other species that we also need to be protective of like red knot

1:44:36

so I’m going to go through this timeline and I emphasize this is the short version as you all know Long Beach has a

1:44:43

very long history but I’m going to go through this too show some examples of how we got to

1:44:50

where we are today so um back in 1992 was the first notice of

1:44:55

intent under the wetlands protection act that was submitted for vehicle and Wildlife Management along Beach

1:45:03

that plan was immediately appealed by some concerned citizens for the preservation of Plymouth Beach so I

1:45:09

think everyone’s familiar that there have been a numerous appeals over many years from appellate whether that be

1:45:16

Goldenrod Mass Audubon homeowners or other organizations this

1:45:21

one was actually from concerned citizens and what what’s interesting about it is that they basically said to the state we

1:45:29

think the Conservation Commission here in Plymouth implemented a order of conditions or a permit for managing Long

1:45:36

Beach that is too prohibitive and too restrictive and the result of that

1:45:41

appeal was the state came back to the town and said we couldn’t disagree with you more here’s some more conditions

1:45:48

and that is when the access on the harbor side and the so-called 790 line

1:45:54

the access on the ocean side was restricted so you couldn’t drive around the point anymore

1:45:59

so that was a result of people asking for more access in fact the state came back and said you’ll have even less

1:46:07

so 1996 there was a take of a plover check which led to a whole series of

1:46:13

other negotiations and legal issues that resulted in the United States fish

1:46:19

and wildlife service telling the town to incorporate all the new federal guidelines into a formal document of

1:46:24

management plan there was a notice of violation against the town twelve thousand dollars civil

1:46:29

penalty for the take of that pull over check the U.S filed a complaint in U.S District Court there were subsequent

1:46:35

meetings from state federal and town Representatives about that issue

1:46:43

in 1998 there was the board of Selectmen at the

1:46:49

time rejected a settlement agreement and filed a petition of relief for that

1:46:56

notice of violation for that twelve thousand dollar violation of the Plover check being take being taken

1:47:06

so at that point we had a couple of property owners as well as Mass Audubon

1:47:11

joined an appeal of the permit that was issued the state then came in and said not only

1:47:17

do you need that permit we want you to file in an environmental notification form onto the mepa process so these this

1:47:24

Myriad of new regulations and requirements was being thrust upon the town for its refusal to deal with many

1:47:31

of the requirements that fish and wildlife service in the state were asking which was incorporating new state and federal guidelines into its process

1:47:38

and its management of Long Beach in 2000 and 2003

1:47:45

um in 2001 I began working for the town and Amelia jumped into this discussion and

1:47:53

negotiation of writing a new management plan talking about the violations trying to implement that plan and show that the

1:48:00

state and federal agencies that we had a plan that met all of those requirements and we could implement it

1:48:05

in that time frame we were able to do that and implement the plan ultimately the federal government came back and

1:48:11

vacated that twelve thousand dollar penalty and we’ve been working under that management plan

1:48:17

from that point on and I’ll go into a little bit more detail about what that plan actually

1:48:23

involves and how that how that leads to a lot of the questions that we all get

1:48:31

so our management plan incorporates state and federal law regulations it outlines how the beach is

1:48:39

managed and contains also not only the laws and regulations but agreements between the state the appellates and the

1:48:46

town so there are agreements in that management plan that speak two hours of

1:48:52

operations those of you remember the crossover gate remained open under the new management plan the hours of the

1:48:58

crossover nine to seven and there are reasons for that let me explain that very quickly

1:49:03

nine in the morning afford staff the opportunity to get to the beach in the morning document where all the birds are all the Broods where all the chicks are

1:49:10

document each and every one of them then we open the beach we know that let’s just say we had 20

1:49:16

Plover checks out there on that day at nine o’clock in the morning when we closed that crossover gate at seven we

1:49:22

go back and do the same exact thing and we can say we allowed vehicles on this beach during this time frame we started

1:49:27

the morning with 20 Plover chicks we ended it with 20 Plover chicks if something happens in the night a

1:49:32

storm predation whatever it is and we come in in the morning there’s 18 we can guarantee the state and federal agencies it wasn’t from OHV it was from something

1:49:40

else when we just leave the beach open or open the gate early before we get there

1:49:45

we don’t have time to do those things so that’s why those requirements were put in there because we oftentimes get why

1:49:50

can’t you keep it open later we need to get out there at the end of the day at seven as

1:49:55

as the sun’s setting towards August we need to be able to have the time to be able to find all those nests and all

1:50:01

those chicks one more time and identify all of those before we close the beach so that’s why we have those times it

1:50:07

affords us the ability to do that there are certain Staffing requirements based on how far the beach is open how

1:50:14

much vehicle access affords is how many people we need to have on it also designates the travel Corridor which as

1:50:21

you all know is a series of posts it’s very heavily regulated it tells you where you can drive where you can park and you can’t go outside of that that is

1:50:29

very unique to Plymouth Long Beach or other beaches that are now following that or being required to follow that but at the time it was very unique

1:50:36

one of the questions we always get asked and I’m sure you all have is wise plymouth’s plan different

1:50:42

so many communities have had a management plan that they’ve applied and submitted

1:50:49

to the Conservation Commission for approval Conservation Commission approval approved it and that was the

1:50:54

end of the story that has never happened here in Plymouth it’s been appealed multiple times over multiple years by

1:51:01

both appellates who want more restrictions or elimination of OHV

1:51:07

access and groups as I mentioned earlier which said we think it’s too restrictive

1:51:13

and we want we want you to peel back and the states come back and said no we’ll actually give you more restrictions so

1:51:19

because that’s been appealed every time it’s appealed it reviews an additional review additional scrutiny addition

1:51:25

additional adjudicatory proceedings and every time that happens the Restriction in the management plan

1:51:31

gets Tighter and Tighter and Tighter many communities have never experienced anything like that and therefore have

1:51:36

much more leeway than Town appointment a couple of things how that’s resulted

1:51:42

that means that the vehicle access you used to be able to drive around the entire Harborside out to the point come

1:51:47

back on the ocean side that was closed the so-called 790 line which was a line that was drawn 790 feet from a dike out

1:51:56

at the point of Long Beach that was established that you can’t drive north of that so you can’t drive around the point that in fact included the hours

1:52:03

that we just mentioned with the crossover and that also limited 225 vehicles at any time even if the

1:52:09

crossover is completely open we can allow 225 vehicles from mattress point which is at the end of the gravel

1:52:15

parking lot to the point that’s what we can afford if we can fit 225 vehicles on

1:52:20

right away in D.A parking we can do that if we can afford 225 vehicles from the

1:52:25

road day parking and out on past the crossover it’s still only 225 that’s our limit

1:52:34

so a couple of things about vehicles and what what nests actually do so

1:52:39

a plover Nest is a typical what we call a 4A clutch it’s a scrape in the sand so

1:52:45

we call it a nest but it’s really a scrape it’s incredibly cryptic and very difficult if not impossible for to see

1:52:52

unless you’re used to looking for them the chicks are what we call precocial which means they hatch and they get up

1:52:59

and start moving so these chicks the next day are walking around and going to that rack line and

1:53:04

feeding themselves they’re very mobile a semi-autricial is like a turn a turn

1:53:10

sits in the nest and the adults bring it food they’re not very mobile they don’t move and therefore restrictions are fairly easy but Plover checks are out

1:53:17

running about the next day so because of that we have to close an area around the nest Vehicles we also

1:53:24

have to do it prior to hatch date and again this is something that oftentimes people ask us about

1:53:30

we close it five days prior to the The Nest actually hatching because we have to allow the rack to accumulate on the

1:53:37

beach to provide a food source if we allowed vehicles to drive through that rack line right up to the hatch date

1:53:43

there’s limited food source for those that would be a take therefore five days prior

1:53:49

based on when we find that for a clutch we can predict a hatch date pretty accurately and know when we have to

1:53:55

implement that the restrictions are 600 feet uh the first week and after that it’s 300 feet

1:54:01

so when the chicks are on the beach and they’re running around that first week we have to set a 600 foot limit we have

1:54:07

to watch those birds and know what territory they’re setting up and establishing and then once we can determine that there’s still a 300 foot

1:54:14

vehicle restriction Plover chicks are considered fledged which means they can fly at 35 days that

1:54:21

is the regulatory definition of fledged if we observe them older than 25 days

1:54:27

and we observe them in Flight greater than 50 feet we can lift that restriction if we don’t see that we have

1:54:33

to wait the full 35 days so that’s why we have so many uh restrictions

1:54:40

when these chicks start hatching so here in Massachusetts

1:54:47

um pipe and clover management is based on a plan from the United States fish and wildlife service called the Atlantic

1:54:53

coast population everything about pipe and clover Management on the federal level is the entire Atlantic Coast

1:54:58

population in Massachusetts we have approximately 700 pair of pipe and clovers and we’ve

1:55:04

done exceptionally well as a state in the managing pipe and plovers but again on a federal level they don’t look at

1:55:09

that they look at it in the entire Atlantic Coast population and that has a tremendous impact on

1:55:16

um the regulations going forward and I’ll speak a little bit about that so again this is how inherently

1:55:22

difficult the beaches has become in 2002 when I began I started managing

1:55:28

Long Beach 2001 I was hired 2002 was my first season we had lots of legal issues and I

1:55:34

thought that was the most difficult part but what’s happened is that we had 12

1:55:40

nesting pairs on the beach in 2012. um I’m sorry in 2002

1:55:45

2012 we had 20. last year we had 48 nesting pairs

1:55:51

so the highest Beach last year in Massachusetts was Crane’s Beach at 50.

1:55:56

Sandy Knack and Barnstable at 49 in Plymouth Long Beach at 48. so we have a

1:56:03

beach that’s 2.7 miles long with 48 nesting pairs that density is incredibly High to give

1:56:09

you an example Duxbury Beach is six miles long and had 40 nesting pairs last year so we have a

1:56:15

lot of birds in a very small area and again New England does quite well Massachusetts does quite well but again

1:56:22

from a management perspective the federal government looks at it has pipe and

1:56:29

cloversary this Atlantic Coast population what that means is that even though Massachusetts and

1:56:35

even though New England does well the Mid-Atlantic and the South doesn’t and so they still see it as a need to

1:56:41

continue to protect these birds success in New England and Massachusetts has led to one positive benefit in the

1:56:48

last few years and that was what’s called an implementation of the hcp a habitat conservation plan what the

1:56:53

federal government did was say to Massachusetts the State Department of Fish and Game because you’ve been doing

1:56:59

this well we might allow you some additional flexibility we then as a municipality have to get a

1:57:05

permit from the state who gets the permit from the federal government to implement this hcp and when that came about I will say that

1:57:12

the town of Plymouth was the first municipality to complete all those requirements and utilize that program

1:57:19

essentially what it does it allows Fish and Game to get a habitat conservation plant for piping plovers and it allows

1:57:26

for a take to occur if certain requirements are met

1:57:33

and we do that we’ve done that for quite some time we’ve done that for many years what it typically requires is additional

1:57:40

staff to watch birds and ensure that some limited access can be afforded that

1:57:46

otherwise wouldn’t be without the hcp in place so to things like move through a way to

1:57:51

roadway during daylight hours if additional staff is out there watching them so we’ve done that for years and I

1:57:57

know it’s hard for folks to imagine that restrictions would actually be worse than they are but I can assure you they

1:58:03

would be in our certificate of inclusion that’s COI down at the bottom oftentimes we get

1:58:09

asked can you move nests can you have unimped vehicle access can you have exemptions or quote unquote discretion

1:58:17

none of those things are afforded by the hcp what it does is it does give you some limited flexibility

1:58:23

if you step up and provide additional Staffing so there isn’t discretion there isn’t

1:58:31

we’re going to do this today because we’d like to provide a little more access I wish it was like that but it

1:58:36

simply isn’t and I also wanted to mention a couple of

1:58:42

other factors in this weekend unfortunately was a great example of that so with all the challenges that I

1:58:48

just mentioned we also have things like Coastal storms so that storm that we just had over the weekend the storm

1:58:54

surge in that cold weather we lost six nests over the last three days so what that typically means is that

1:59:01

because those nests have been lost it’s still early in the breeding season those adults are going to re-nest so for

1:59:09

example if those nests were 14 days old we’re 14 days into what is a typical 27

1:59:15

to 28 day incubation period for those chicks to hatch if those nests were 14 days old and they

1:59:21

just got washed over they’re going to re-nest and we’re going to start that clock again and so storms like we just had or

1:59:29

predation so if we have a mammalian Predator an avian Predator who comes and takes a nest it’s resetting that clock

1:59:36

every time and those are really challenging um makes it very difficult

1:59:43

and again Management’s based upon the Atlantic coast population so even though Long Beach is doing excellent even

1:59:48

though Massachusetts is doing excellent the population as a whole is still not doing well throughout its range and

1:59:54

that’s that’s what the federal government looks at and I know it’s difficult to understand but I always like to say that even

2:00:00

though we constantly make these requirements and we do what we’re supposed to be doing and I know folks want more access

2:00:07

for the vehicles but it is the compliance that we do every day that ensures access in the future I know

2:00:13

sometimes that can be challenging to say that any axis at all is only preserved by

2:00:19

making sure that we follow the rules but having been involved with as many legal

2:00:25

challenges on the speeches I have I assure you that is that is accurate so

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with that I will try to answer any all questions you may have

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thank you any questions from board members comments

2:00:42

very educational learned a few more things tonight thank you

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thank you and

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next thing up will be the dog pack plan presentation

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Mr Helm

2:01:20

good evening everyone so this is the first presentation of the

2:01:27

dog park committee to the select board and it is also a funding request

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just to give us a little bit of History here

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um most recent history back in October 2022 the dog park committee was created

2:01:46

by the select board FYI there are 11 300 dogs registered in Plymouth if anybody

2:01:53

is wondering um the the population of dogs and the usage that the the parks were suggesting

2:02:01

will will Garner their 11 300 dogs registered

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of course many of us will remember that the history of attempted dog parks in in

2:02:13

our town goes back quite a bit further than that to a group a private group that attempted to work with the town to

2:02:21

put a dog park in the west recreational the area and that didn’t quite make it

2:02:27

off the ground they didn’t quite reach the funding needed for something you’re going to hear about in our presentation

2:02:34

and that is a a grant from the Stanton foundation so when we when we first met

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we started we started by researching existing dog parks because we wanted to

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see best practices what was out there what people what people were doing in other communities what they weren’t

2:02:51

doing in other communities and that helped us to um determine also how you go about

2:02:59

efficiently putting together a dog park and getting funding and that sort of stuff and it also helped us to determine

2:03:06

the necessary what we felt were necessary Park attributes for really good Parks we wanted our parks to be

2:03:13

really really good we then divided ourselves into subcommittees and the

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subcommittees are are were people and pet safety

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sanitation and maintenance ongoing Administration low and the important

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location design and funding sources and funding sources were both for the build

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out but also ongoing maintenance and and so you all know during this presentation

2:03:40

the goal of our committee has always been to absolutely minimize if not

2:03:47

completely curtail the uh the burden to our taxpayers so I think you’re going to

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see it in in what we’re proposing here so um we met weekly to discuss the

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subcommittee progress and then we started focusing on location and we

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spent quite a bit of time working with Barry de Blasio um at first and conducting several site

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visits and then Nick fiala Parks director and Ann slusser uh joined us

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um and we thank them they’ve been tremendously helpful in determining the sites uh because we we had us but we had

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some specific requirements um and it was it was not the easiest thing in the world there were so there

2:04:32

was an attempted sighting site uh Choice which just didn’t work out

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um and we had to move it so they were both Nick and Ann have been tremendously

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helpful so we thank them and while I’m thanking people just in advance I’m going to thank Tiffany Parks our grant

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writer she’s she’s on board with us and she’s she’s just tremendous I think we

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have a really good team here to move forward with this okay so now we’re going to talk about

2:05:01

the proposed locations okay so you’re going to see two red circles

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okay one labeled to the side with forges field and one Cedarville

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those are the proposed locations for the two Plymouth dog parks and we are suggesting two of them the black circle

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is the Kingston Boneyard dog park and that figured heavily in our decision of

2:05:27

placement within the tap within the geographic area of Plymouth because

2:05:32

Kings the Kingston Boneyard is open to anyone you do not need to be a resident

2:05:38

of Kingston and in fact many residents of the Northern areas of Plymouth and West Plymouth go to the Kingston dog

2:05:45

park because we don’t have one so we actually factored that in I guess we

2:05:51

kind of took it as like something that our residents would use and as you can

2:05:56

see we spaced them through you know down down the spine of the Town let’s call it

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down Route three so forges field and then Cedarville so we think we think

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with the with the R2 in combination with Kingston we think we have really good

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coverage for the entire town okay this is just a schematic of the

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proposed layout for the Cedarville facility and I’m going to explain to you

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where this would be okay to the right of the big kind of tan you’re going to see

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what looks like a building to the right by that margin that is the animal shelter okay that is Animal Control the

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animal shelter okay on Route 3A in Cedarville there is a lane that comes

2:06:44

off of Route 3 that runs along the southern side of the proposed dog park and if this slide extended down to the

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floor on the other side of that lane you would see the fire station the Cedarville fire station so that’s where

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we’re locating it one of the great things about this it is Town land it’s

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it is relatively flat okay so which is good there is also a six inch water main

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running right down that dirt road so we have quick access to to water and

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water is extremely important in fact it’s a requirement for this particular

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one because of how we’re going to work on financing it but you know say it’s

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going to be offset from the shelter um I’ve the I’ve spoken with Chief Foley

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and he’s spoken with the uh the officers at the Cedarville fire station they do

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not believe that there will be any that they don’t feel there’ll be an impact on them by having a dog park across the way

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so so that worked out pretty good um I’m going to kind of use this one as

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let me see which one you can yeah let’s go with this one okay

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um you’re going to see in the lower right corner of the tan section something called a proposed double Gate

2:08:10

entrance system so both of our dog parks are going to be double gated so you’re basically I call it an airlock you’re

2:08:16

going to go through one gate and then it’s going to open to the two gates one to the small dog area so we’re gonna

2:08:22

have a small dog area and a large dog area so you’re gonna you you won’t dogs

2:08:28

it’s harder for a dog to escape when they have to go through two gates so if you know that that’s it’s pretty pretty

2:08:35

common to do this double gate system it protects the dogs from getting out which

2:08:40

is good but as you can see we have a large dog area and a small dog area so

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that they can be separate um and we’re gonna go to forges field

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um it has the same sorts of components um in it but so you know where it is in

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for field at the bottom left you’ll see parking spaces that is the first parking

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area after you come into forges field on the right okay and we specific there’s a lot of

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space in forge’s field and forges field was was one of the original choices

2:09:19

um because it just it makes so much sense there’s so much land um and we specifically chose that first

2:09:26

parking lot for a number of reasons uh the access to water is is really good

2:09:33

there’s a water main that runs right down alongside of this park which gives

2:09:38

us quick access easy access to water also during the winter because the well

2:09:44

is just you can’t see it but maybe around where Anthony is if it extended

2:09:51

um there there is a well there they plowed to that so in the winter the plow

2:09:56

will only have to take a quick spin into that parking lot so to keep it open for residents so we won’t they won’t be

2:10:03

unable to use it in the uh in the winter okay

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so let’s talk about estimated costs okay and I’ve broken it down

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for each each of the two okay Cedarville with furnishings and

2:10:21

that includes the fencing and you’re noticing both of these the fencing is the major cost okay it’s expensive it’s

2:10:29

um it’s steel um black powder coated um it has a dub the double security gate

2:10:36

system but it also includes two 10 foot wide vehicle Gates and there’s a reason

2:10:42

for that one of the things that you’re not going to see in the Furnishings on either of these is a um like a Paving or

2:10:53

a gravel or any Turf we’re going to be using wood chips

2:10:59

um our DPW creates them in abundance they’re free to us and they are an

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accepted surface for a dog park um they’re also environmentally they’re

2:11:10

they’re they’re really good they uh they help in a number of ways including

2:11:16

um dealing with the nitrogen from that the dogs produce when they

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um when they urinate on the on the surface so uh um that so you’re not going to see a

2:11:27

surface here so we’re going to be using we’re going to be using wood chips but that’s why there’s the two 10-foot

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vehicle Gates his benches tables there’s a kiosk um that’s going to be outside that’s

2:11:39

going to enable us to help with our fundraising help with

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um advertising and getting sponsorship and that’s going to play um you know when we get to the final

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slide that’ll that’ll play into in in play in on that

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um the water unit okay okay is either is some form of water whether it’s a

2:12:05

that comes up inside of the park that is either a spigot or a

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um it can be a combination of um water fountain for humans and for

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dogs it could be a bottle filler for humans have a you know a bowl filler for dogs and so we we haven’t really decided

2:12:25

on what we’re going to choose but I put that in there because the price that we received was for low end 8 000 for upper

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and twelve thousand so as I slotted that in and the reason that we were going to

2:12:39

need a water unit in Cedarville for sure well first of all it’s a really good idea in any dog park number one we’re

2:12:45

definitely going to need to have water in there because the DPW wants to have water available and a spigot to hook up

2:12:52

to to water down the wood chips During certain times of the year when the rain

2:12:57

it’s not raining and it’s really hot for obvious reasons but the water you unit is going to be important in Cedarville

2:13:04

particularly but it’s important for both of them actually and the installation cost is 28 000 that means the total

2:13:11

Furnishings for Cedarville are going to be 190 000 okay

2:13:16

um uh the estimate on design site work which means clearing and we’re going to

2:13:21

do as minimal clearing as possible we want to keep the tree cover we don’t want to be knocking down trees and

2:13:27

tearing things up and you know and and terrascaping and all that stuff we want

2:13:33

it to be natural um because we think that residents would want that and we also think that’s kind

2:13:39

of in the mode of of Plymouth and also importantly ADA compliance we will not

2:13:46

know until the actual design is done what forms of ADA compliance are going

2:13:51

to be necessary but they will be necessary and that’s that’s estimated at sixty thousand and the water hookups

2:13:58

themselves even though they are close in both cases it’s going to be approximately ten thousand dollars so

2:14:04

for Cedarville the total all at this point is uh two hundred and sixty thousand dollars that’s our estimate

2:14:11

okay forges is a little bit less because the fencing is less forges is not quite

2:14:17

as big a park as Cedarville so it’s a little bit less same number benches kiosk water unit installation okay total

2:14:25

Furnishings 161 500 same cost for design site work ADA

2:14:31

compliance and the water hookup so that comes to 231 500 so what we are asking

2:14:40

for tonight okay that’s George by the way if anybody’s never met my dog George

2:14:45

he’s asking he’s begging for the funding he’s very cute

2:14:51

um we are requesting five hundred thousand dollars be granted by the

2:14:56

select board from arpa funds which have already been set aside by the town manager for this usage okay but we do

2:15:04

have a potential off-site um and this is offset rather and this is what Tiffany is working with us on it

2:15:10

would be a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar Grant from the Stanton Foundation um the Stanton Foundation is the people

2:15:18

that the the folks in the west wreck were working with years and years ago and they they were attempting to get the

2:15:26

matching funds needed to start the Stanton foundation in gear they were never able to do it with this arpo

2:15:33

request we will have way more than is necessary to get Stanton Stanton on board with us they do have some

2:15:40

requirements such as I mentioned in because we’re gonna We would apply this to Cedarville which is the first one

2:15:46

that we can work get going um they do require that they’ll be why water for the dogs in there so it’s not

2:15:53

optional some we did find some parks don’t have water for dogs that people bring them in with their own bolt but in

2:15:59

this case Cedarville certainly is going to have water and we think water for dogs and people is a good idea anyway so we’re we

2:16:06

are Tiffany is already at work on this um we are committed to doing what we can

2:16:12

to get this Grant and we should know fairly quickly because the Stanton

2:16:17

Foundation is closing up shop on December 15th of this year they’re going to stop awarding these things so

2:16:25

um they are really they really would like us to take

2:16:31

two hundred and fifty thousand dollars they they’ve have money and they’re they’re really like they really want to give it to us but we do they are going

2:16:38

to put us through some some hoops and things Charlie if they really want to give it away how

2:16:45

about asking for five can we do that they they

2:16:50

just the max is 250 000 for one dog park now we asked so good question Charlie

2:16:58

so anyway we we have four members of the dog park committee here with us

2:17:04

um in in the back we have we have Michelle and we have Deb and we have

2:17:09

Diane and over there we have Melissa so they have decided to join us tonight and

2:17:14

if I say anything wrong or stupid they will immediately correct me so that’s a

2:17:20

good thing so um so we’re pretty excited about the idea of that Grant because

2:17:26

when we get it okay they will uh it’ll also help in another way it’s a 250 000

2:17:33

Grant but they will also pay for the design so we can you know with with the

2:17:39

arpa funding we can get that going really really fast and once we know that

2:17:46

we’re getting that that will free up arpa funds to give back for the the town

2:17:52

to use on other projects okay so we’re committed to that so um so anyway one of the one of the

2:17:59

things as I mentioned we were really we really wanted to make sure that this our

2:18:05

dog parks um did not were not a burden to to our

2:18:10

taxpayers in any way arpa helps that the Stanton Foundation helps that

2:18:16

um I mean arpa is from federal so in a way it comes from taxes but it doesn’t come from our residence property taxes

2:18:22

and we want to make sure that it stays that way forever or as long as any of us are

2:18:28

alive to be to be questioned about it so what we’re doing is we’re setting up a

2:18:34

501c3 okay which will take donations and grants okay and we will it’ll be like

2:18:42

Friends of the Plymouth dog parks or something like that and we are working with

2:18:47

um Lynn Barrett to create some sort of spot within the town the town finances

2:18:54

for this money to go we’ll raise it okay it’ll go in here because the the dog

2:19:01

parks will not be maintained by the friends of Plymouth dog parks or a

2:19:07

group like that they will be maintained by parks and DPW it only makes sense it’s Town property there you know one of

2:19:14

them’s within a park but we also want to make sure that

2:19:20

we’re doing what we need to do to offset the costs for all taxpayers so that’s

2:19:27

one of the things that you know I mentioned the uh um the kiosk the kiosk is going to be a

2:19:33

key place for donations okay you know where we can collect donations and and tell people how to donate to the dog

2:19:40

park and that sort of thing so um also it will enable us to as I

2:19:45

mentioned uh before to Market

2:19:51

um to businesses sponsorships and things like that so we’ll be active the the

2:19:56

whoever is is Manning up that 501c3 will be very very active in getting grants

2:20:03

and donations so that’s basically the the overview we’re here asking for the

2:20:11

um the select board to approve the five hundred thousand dollars that the town manager has already set aside for the

2:20:18

creation of the two dog parks so and I’m question it’s question time now

2:20:24

I don’t really have questions I I do have some comments uh and I’m going to

2:20:30

vote in favor of this and I’ll tell you why you did your work you you know it’s

2:20:35

nice to have the dog park on our agenda and not having people up here yelling at us and

2:20:42

you know getting a little crazy so it’s nice I saw a lot of the everybody know it and

2:20:48

you’re all on the committee so I figured that out after a few minutes but uh but I just say you figured that you know you

2:20:55

did a great job you you spread it out it spread out evenly across the town even

2:21:00

using that Kingston that that Park you know so you get the so it’s actually we

2:21:06

really now have we can’t call it our park but there’s three dog parks well yeah that you know really what we kind

2:21:13

of saw was that without the Kingston we would need three but we we have no problem co-op in Kingston so you you’ve

2:21:21

got the right locations I love forges field which it’s a gym in this town we are so lucky of recreation only and

2:21:29

there’s so much land up there it’s perfect and then down in Cedarville it’s that land right there it’s right next to

2:21:36

the the dog pound and and the fire stations right there in case there’s any issues any safety issues I mean it’s

2:21:44

just perfect location and I’m not even sure if that’s why you picked it but I

2:21:49

was thinking that right away that any safety issues the fire department’s right there well you know it’s interesting we actually

2:21:57

kind of we had been focusing on Hedges pond but we were we were told by the town

2:22:04

that basically in order to cite the dog park in the only place that it could be

2:22:09

which would be way back which is sort of where all the lead-lined

2:22:14

um cabins were it was like right on top of those that they would want us to cut

2:22:20

a road in that ran along the highway right of way and that would have blown the 250 thousand dollars to people so

2:22:27

there you go this is yeah and we just you know I can’t remember whose idea it was but it was a really brilliant idea

2:22:33

so but the first thing you did is you identified there’s 11 300 registered

2:22:40

dogs and I’ll say that registered so hopefully every dog in town is

2:22:46

registered because there’s a reason for that for the rabies and all that stuff but so there’s a lot of dogs in this

2:22:52

town and so that those products are going to get used and also I like the kiosk ideas because

2:22:59

you’re going to sell fund I can see this being successful that it’s sustainable

2:23:04

self-sustainable it’s so it’s not going to cost the taxpayers any money so you’ve figured everything out you did a

2:23:11

great job on this and hopefully we’re going to get that 250 000 because that that’s huge to uh and hopefully it’s

2:23:19

only a one-time cost we we as a group am I incorrect is saying we as a group feel

2:23:24

pretty confident about that yeah right so job well done and and I’m going to

2:23:29

vote to support this uh I think this is uh this is a it was a great committee

2:23:35

and you accomplished a lot thank you thanks we have we have more to do once that once the funding is established we

2:23:42

work on the pet pet and people safety in that aspect the health aspects of it and

2:23:48

you know there’s a lot more to work on so Mr Canty then Mr Mahoney

2:23:57

uh Harry thank you for the detailed presentation and certainly thank the committee for all of their work and

2:24:04

putting this together uh obviously with forges there’s a sort of a built-in

2:24:09

parking lot already with Cedarville where do you envision parking for

2:24:16

um visitors I will show you

2:24:21

okay um the the you may notice that the the southern

2:24:29

edge of this is offset from the lane okay you can kind of see

2:24:36

does this work is that oh it does my my right arm unfortunately doesn’t

2:24:42

work as well as the pointer does so I’m not sure I’ll be able to get it okay maybe it’s not working

2:24:50

um basically if you look um see where the the

2:24:57

um in the the right lower right hand corner okay you can see the lane coming in

2:25:04

and you notice that the corner is above that lane yes okay there will be parking

2:25:10

parallel parking along there it’s enough for 10 spaces one tree will need to be

2:25:16

removed well one dead tree and one living tree and the the parking will be along there parallel we are most likely

2:25:23

going to have to in that lower right hand corner for Ada we are going to have to pave a spot for handicap most likely

2:25:31

thank you sure and you can use those trees for wood chips too right oh yeah

2:25:37

oh yeah we’re gonna that’s the you know the whole idea is let’s you know um make this as you know as least of an

2:25:45

impact you know if you go if you go to Kingston okay it’s all graveled but then

2:25:50

again it’s built on top of a landfill okay this is you know inciting these things in forested areas we really

2:25:57

didn’t want to destroy the forest to do it so well

2:26:03

Harry thanks for taking this Challenge on a great job by yourself and the committee enjoyed the presentation so

2:26:09

simply put you’re looking for approval of a five hundred thousand dollar Opera request

2:26:15

yes Town manager is already lined up and even if the 250 doesn’t come in from

2:26:21

the Stanton organization it’ll move forward yes it will okay and uh both of

2:26:26

them simultaneously or do one and then move on to the second we’re going to do Cedarville first because there is some

2:26:32

work that Ann slusser has planned in forges in that area there’s an expansion

2:26:38

of the parking lot in fact this is actually not really where it’s gonna

2:26:44

quite be because basically it’s going to have to move up and slide along forges

2:26:51

Road forges Field Road because she’s putting in another row or two of parking

2:26:57

right above the one that you see there okay so she’s got to get the funding for

2:27:02

all of that but uh um you know that’s we have to we’re going to have a little bit of a Hiatus

2:27:08

on moving forward for forges field but we’re going to move ahead immediately as quickly as we can with with Cedarville

2:27:14

yep long overdue obviously there’s a lot of dog lovers in the community one of

2:27:20

the number one individuals is sitting in the front row and I think it’s uh significant for the community not not to

2:27:27

we’re moving forward with one but for two and it’s great yeah well you know it solves it solves another not just the

2:27:34

you know giving something for you know dog lovers and obviously with 11 300 of

2:27:41

them registered there are a lot in this town large percentage of our population

2:27:46

um people are now using a lot of our Parks as dog parks you know and they’re

2:27:53

letting dogs run and these aren’t they are not fenced in they are not secure okay for the dogs and the dogs can run

2:28:00

away things can happen so this this helps now they’ll have places to go with

2:28:07

the dogs that they know there’s going to be water for them you know it’ll be clean the whole bit so we think there

2:28:13

are a lot of advantages to it

2:28:19

any other questions nice job Harry thank you committee

2:28:25

we have a motion I’ll make the motion that we approve uh

2:28:31

five hundred thousand dollars in Opera funds for these two dog parks I’ll second

2:28:36

motion by Mr bletter second by Mr Canty hello Sim favor Mr bletza yes Mr Helm I

2:28:44

think I’m allowed to say yes aren’t I yes okay yes unless George benefits

2:28:50

George won’t be going and Mr Mahoney and myself yes

2:28:58

passes unanimous thank you

2:29:03

Town manages we pull up Mr brandisi sure so um speaking of dogs

2:29:09

this coming Saturday is the bach in the Park event and our town clerk is

2:29:17

thinking a little outside of the box and it’s going to have a table and tent and she will be there from 11 A.M to 3 P.M

2:29:24

at Nelson Park to register dogs that are unlicensed so just another way we’re

2:29:29

trying to capture those um those licenses that the selectman Blessed had pointed out

2:29:35

and so moving on this evening in a remote Forum the senior task for us

2:29:41

again as I pointed on the past they are in the process of going through their age and dementia friendly

2:29:47

assessment and so this evening at 7 pm remotely they conducted a community

2:29:54

Forum to engage residents and ask them a series of questions around being agent dementia friendly and then as an

2:30:01

announcement on June 13th at the library from 3 to 4 30 they will have an in-person

2:30:07

meeting with anyone from the community who wants to come in and talk about being an age and dementia friendly

2:30:13

I want to just announce on Memorial Day just a week ago and many of our board

2:30:22

members were present when the board provided Mr Robert Davidson with a

2:30:27

humanitarian award and a state and rep meritori was there as well offering a

2:30:32

citation so if I could I’d like to read the award that was presented by the select board to Mr Davidson Mr Robert H

2:30:41

Davidson distinguished himself by his endless dedication to his fellow veterans past and present as a curator

2:30:48

of plymouth’s one-of-a-kind Memorial display to our fallen heroes into his unwavering

2:30:55

Devotion to the American Legion Museum the distinctive accomplishments of Mr

2:31:01

Robert H Davidson reflect great credit upon himself the town of Plymouth in all

2:31:06

veterans of the United States of America so congratulations to Mr Davidson who you all know has really been the person

2:31:13

that’s managed the display at our Memorial Hall so it was great to see him there and his

2:31:19

family as well as an announcement um although it’ll look a little bit

2:31:25

delayed we did award the White Horse Beach parking enforcement contract to

2:31:30

last parking at a cost of seventy seven thousand dollars they’ve been down at

2:31:35

the in the White Horse Beach parking District area uh the past two weekends I’m just trying to get up to speed and

2:31:41

understand all the nuances of that area another announcement we two weeks ago we

2:31:49

signed a contract for the municipal aggregation program so as a reminder this program we had in place for from

2:31:55

2017 to 2023 in fact it was the last contract I signed as the assistant time manager in July of 2017 and the town

2:32:04

experienced an unbelievable electric weight rate of uh

2:32:09

9.8 cents per kilowatt hour and so we we were probably the only Community to

2:32:15

enjoy that rate over the last six years the new rate we went out to bid and the

2:32:21

new rates can be 14 cents per kilowatt hour so it’s gone up substantially it’s

2:32:26

still better than if we weren’t in the program if we weren’t in the program or non-members who decide to opt out of the

2:32:32

program would be about 16 cents and so that’s for this this the summer months

2:32:37

and then we do know that rate will be much higher in the winter months which it typically does so we’ll continue to

2:32:45

work on this program this is a 24-month program we don’t want to sign a long-term contract hoping the rates get

2:32:50

better in years to come and then I would like to talk a little

2:32:56

bit about a bunch of program projects that the DPW is engaged in mostly water

2:33:03

main replacement projects so we have Hilldale Hilldale Road it’s already

2:33:08

mocked out we’ll replace that water main and then once complete we will reconstruct that road as Mr Downey

2:33:15

pointed out in this evening we have the Jordan which was just announced today the Jordan Road water

2:33:21

main replacement project just began yesterday that’ll extend for four weeks

2:33:27

and then again replace that area once that’s complete and then I think the one

2:33:32

everybody wants to talk about is the the project on Water Street and so things

2:33:39

are going extremely well for the Sioux Interceptor project three plus three pipes have already been installed over

2:33:46

the past week or so our Target was to be at the Chilton Street manhole by June

2:33:52

15th we will be be there this coming Saturday assuming things go well this week we don’t expect any problems so

2:33:59

um right right after we get to the Chilton Street manhole we’ll go a little bit further next week into the end of

2:34:06

the sheathing and then once we get to the end of the sheathing well they will remove the sheathing and then set to put

2:34:13

the road back together we’re expecting them to start to put the most northern

2:34:18

part of Water Street together starting next week and they’ll fall behind the

2:34:24

construction project so things are going extremely well and we hope to have them out of there in the next couple weeks

2:34:31

pending any questions that’s all I have for this evening

2:34:37

questions from board members I’d just like to echo on Memorial Day

2:34:44

Roxanne and the staff did a fabulous job of putting that all together and

2:34:50

it was a nice parade and I’d like to thank you Derek for coming with your grandson it’s nice when the town manager

2:34:57

gets out there it’s like the town clerk going on Nelson Street I think that’s awesome that that is to

2:35:06

that take the time to do that it’s good for the community too I have a couple requests there was a water break on

2:35:12

Cherry Street um last week and everybody responded very well but I had a few phone calls

2:35:21

um as I’m sure you did uh staff did here is there any way that when something

2:35:28

like that happens no regardless where it is naturally because the same things happened on Water Street a few times

2:35:34

and nobody goes out and actually tells the businesses or the residents you know and things happen sure so is there a way

2:35:41

we can do a reverse 9-1-1 for like whatever street it might affect and I mean it’s just a thought I no I think

2:35:48

it’s a great idea so as you know the reverse 911 system is uh managed and operated by the sheriff’s department so

2:35:54

we certainly can can speak with them I can talk to our DPW director away with any emergency just to let them know and

2:36:01

it keeps every it’d be a lot less phone calls for everybody sure and the other

2:36:07

one on Cherry Street was some residents right on that corner that called

2:36:12

and they’re looking to put one of those mirrors like you’ve seen I think there’s one on Summer Street John

2:36:18

what are we doing neck of the woods here by Oak Street when you come out there’s a mirror on one of the houses

2:36:25

yes it’s a very bad very bad curve on Cherry Street okay the old Hotel was but you’re not

2:36:33

gonna know what that was with a condo he said 101. you said a constituent asked to see if we could

2:36:39

install one of those mirrors or what they’d have to do whether it be citizens petition I said well okay we’ll use that

2:36:45

doing that let’s uh let’s ask the town manager and see what and I can give you the information on

2:36:51

that and then my my last request is Long Pond Road I spoke to formerly with JB about

2:37:00

we did a traffic study or whatever I’d like to ask where

2:37:06

where that is and what’s the next step you know I don’t know where it is in the

2:37:12

pipeline we were going to actually have some more meetings but I mean everywhere I went that’s everybody’s talking about everywhere

2:37:19

traffic but sure Long Pond Road is is it getting to be more of a challenge every day so

2:37:25

um really that’s it and the oh the last thing is I know we’re having a free concert at Memorial Hall on July 1st

2:37:34

for veterans and the gold staff families that’s really I like to have somebody come in and speak to that a little bit I

2:37:40

know the post is about because they have some hanging in there I show up but I think people need to know because it’s

2:37:45

at Fourth of July weekend and um right I think it’s a Ricky something I

2:37:52

think it is Ricky Lee Ricky Lee yes and there’s also a comedian but it’s free

2:37:58

um and I believe it’s a Saturday before us so it’s a long weekend okay

2:38:06

okay the last thing on the on the Water Street updates Derek which is good news

2:38:11

will you be posting that on the town website like once a week oh well Anthony

2:38:17

yeah so they get a lot of people like call me and I’ll say you know what go look on the website so right and did we

2:38:22

do it this past week Anthony I don’t remember seeing it this past week it is on the website um and it’s also on social media as well

2:38:30

um and uh we we do have some type of email list of about 45

2:38:36

um concerned stakeholders um that I do send it directly to them yeah those are the Direct business but I

2:38:42

mean do you do it like on Fridays you do it just so I know what to say to people generally it’s Friday’s the DPW provides

2:38:49

that on Fridays yep okay that’s it for me sorry a few things built up here

2:38:55

uh Derek did you speak to the uh the new schedule well the summer schedule I have that whenever you’re

2:39:02

ready mine as well okay um so I think uh Anthony passed out the

2:39:08

two schedules these you know once they’re approved they’ll be posted online on the website and we’ll be on social media but the first

2:39:15

one I wanted to talk about is um certainly the the recommendation

2:39:20

we’re making for the summer schedule for the board um and what you won’t see on this certainly you see the next meeting date

2:39:28

is June 13th and that is primarily for we have a few public hearings that we

2:39:33

have to host so our recommendation would be that that would be a zoom meeting just for the hearings any licenses

2:39:41

um and then we’d go back into in person session on June 20th and what’s not

2:39:46

listed here is again another Zoom session on June 27th again to handle

2:39:53

some licenses as well both at 5 pm and the reason why we’re bringing this up is because there’s a number of businesses

2:40:00

that are preparing for their summer events their one day liquor licenses and so we’re trying to accommodate those

2:40:08

businesses by just having these um every other week Zoom meetings to

2:40:15

accommodate those requests but those are the ones that we have in front of us and so you moving down the list you’d see

2:40:21

that for the months of for the month of July it’ll be July 11th and the 25th and for the month of August

2:40:29

would be August 8th and the 22nd

2:40:37

and and then again you could what we tried to do was space out the meetings

2:40:43

based upon the time period in which we think that

2:40:48

we would have to be in session more often than not so what you’ll see is December is a very busy month for us we

2:40:55

have we have a budget presentation of budget meetings we’ll be talking about the warrant and then you’ll see in

2:41:03

January clearly we’re reviewing articles have a joint budget meeting so we’ll be meeting much more often in the months of

2:41:10

December and January until we lead up into town meeting and

2:41:16

then again going to the calendar you’ll see how once we get through time meeting the our meeting frequency starts to

2:41:24

loosen up a little bit with only having two meetings in the month of April and then two meetings in the month of May so

2:41:31

again you know that’s what we’re proposing based upon what we think is kind of the workflow based upon town

2:41:37

meeting schedule and the budget cycle but we’re open to any suggestions this evening

2:41:44

Mr Canty so if I could

2:41:49

briefly put on a hat I just took off speaking about the town meeting cycle in

2:41:56

the fall so as the most recent former chair of

2:42:01

the advisory and finance committee I just wanted to point out that the print deadline for the fall town meeting books

2:42:08

is likely going to be September 22nd Friday September 22nd because it takes

2:42:14

for that report and recommendations book to get to the printer and then come back

2:42:20

takes about a week the charter requires that that book be in the hands of town

2:42:26

meeting members no no less than two weeks before town meeting but there’s

2:42:32

usually that extra week to account for it going from the printer and into the mail so we and the warrant for fall town

2:42:40

meeting is going to close on August 11th so I know that schedule when I was

2:42:47

scheduling our hearings for article reviews it was helpful to have the

2:42:54

select boards decision on any articles already made by the time fincom hears it

2:42:59

so that way particularly in the fall because the schedule for fincom in the fall is very aggressive

2:43:05

in the past we’ve had to meet like every Wednesday and Thursday for a number of weeks just to get through the work so so

2:43:12

if we could make sure that we are hearing art the Articles before them

2:43:17

so that we’re not giving they don’t hear an article one night and then we hear it later and give a disparate

2:43:22

recommendation they might have to reconsider it that can be tedious for an already stretched schedule it may

2:43:29

involve because of when the war closes we might need to in order to accomplish that potentially have a meeting on

2:43:36

August 15th because the warrant won’t have closed until the 11th so unless we

2:43:42

want to hear some of the Articles there’s like some housekeeping type articles we could hear them on August 8th and maybe not have to meet on the

2:43:50

15th even though the warrant hasn’t closed if nothing’s going to change but I just how our work schedule impacts

2:43:57

them is important because that will impact town meeting and you know we’re all in a in a closed ecosystem so I just

2:44:05

wanted to make sure that we were keeping those considerations at front of Mind during that busy time for all of us

2:44:17

anything else and that’s why we added a couple you know on here because we had a couple

2:44:23

businesses because we have to wait 10 days in the state and then 10 more you know right so this is just a guide and

2:44:31

you’re going to focus this also right there I mean yeah and I think to select

2:44:37

when Candy’s point that is something that that’s a really good point that we

2:44:43

may have to meet in August 15th in order to meet the uh to meet that deadline but

2:44:49

we’ll have to go back with that because we met with Jeanette and others and they had reviewed this and they thought this was adequate but we can certainly add

2:44:55

I’m not going anywhere so what if he decided he deserved how about you Harry

2:45:00

me too Jolly you win Charlie okay

2:45:06

you know Kevin is we’ll do whatever this lovely Town needs so and that’s and so I

2:45:14

think the the point is that’s that’s the first time that’s more of a a countless so folks know when the select board will

2:45:20

be meeting and you know we can always add in between if we need to meet more often um the other document is the one that’s

2:45:26

I think most important for the community and for the board and committee members and that’s a document that outlines when

2:45:35

the warrant will open when the warrant will close and as you know we view the stock would pass a policy last fall to

2:45:42

ensure that we have all the documentation prior to the warrant closing um and so folks can predict when they

2:45:48

need to submit their information it lists the when the warrant needs to be executed when we have town meeting and

2:45:57

goes to the budget process it has milestones for the Town Clerk and when

2:46:02

the elections uh the election cycle so that document there is the one that we’re going to send to every board and

2:46:08

Committee Member so in all the staff as well so that they understand understand what the layup is for the next 12 months

2:46:15

as it relates to elections and town meetings

2:46:23

thank you select board open discussion new business

2:46:29

Mr Mahoney so I alluded to it earlier when Mr

2:46:36

Downey was here Mr kenstone town meeting member I forget

2:46:42

Precinct 15 or 16 to reach out to me a few weeks ago and Mr Downey with respect to Rhodes

2:46:49

safety issues traffic on uh clock Road out in front of Pine Hills and meeting

2:46:55

was set up for 2 30 today and it wasn’t until about 20 minutes

2:47:00

prior to the meeting that I figured out that I wasn’t stepping into a meeting with 10 individuals it was about a

2:47:06

hundred so Mr Hartman was there Mr Downey myself

2:47:11

Mr bulletin from the planning board and

2:47:17

I can’t I think that was about it Mr Stone was the effective moderator there

2:47:23

was a microphone out in the audience and obviously

2:47:29

you know this concerns with the speed and um

2:47:35

you know obviously I work in the trades and when I’m down up behind the fire station in the Pine Hills installing an

2:47:41

elevator in her apartment buildings there’s going to be a significant increase of traffic and if you’ve

2:47:48

gentlemen have been down there and you see that structure that is on currently on the Pine Hills green across from the

2:47:54

post office structures like that bring incremental people and incremental people bring cars

2:48:00

and vehicles and that’s what’s happening so we did reference Mr chairman you were

2:48:06

talking about Long Pond Road earlier we’ll be talking about Long Pond and Bowen is that we’re talking about

2:48:11

so we use that as an example of how the process works

2:48:17

and I asked James and he said you’ve got to go back six to eight years when that light was proposed

2:48:23

for born in Long Pond and I asked them where does it stand in the process and he goes they’re about to

2:48:29

go out to bid for construction and that’s six to eight years so they’re

2:48:36

going to set up an evening meeting coming up Mr brindisi

2:48:43

um I would just if you’re not can’t attend I would certainly like the police chief Mr Flynn to attend if possible

2:48:50

some of them were under the impression that the select board should be dictating

2:48:56

um how Mr Flynn runs his operation over there and I wasn’t going to um endorse

2:49:02

anything like that with respect to traffic mitigation enforcement uh ticketing Etc I’ll leave that Under the

2:49:09

Umbrella of Public Safety I wasn’t going to make any promises along that line but that that’s where that one was at and

2:49:15

did they come up with a date for that no no it’s early stages so we’re down there for about 90 minutes just under two

2:49:22

hours probably from 2 30 to 4 4 15 but

2:49:27

um and obviously there were some public safety questions that I didn’t feel

2:49:32

comfortable answering and I think that Mr Flynn could do a lot better job than all of us so

2:49:37

that’s where that one standard uh stands

2:49:46

light on halfway pond in Long Pond not born in

2:49:54

Long Pond and if Pine Hills is complaining about traffic and the speeds when are they going to start the

2:50:01

mitigation that they are supposed to do when they have so many houses being built they must be pretty close to that

2:50:07

now so I think the next conversation that should be brought up thank you

2:50:18

anyone else have any questions or John did you want to say no no good if I don’t have a conflict I’ll attend

2:50:24

the next meeting I’m sure Mr Stone will let us know and I’ll I’ll pass that along to the Boardman did you want to

2:50:29

put it on as a duck at eating uh no we don’t but let’s see what uh

2:50:35

they come up with down there that’s what John wanted that’s why well maybe you know the next meeting a few of us can

2:50:42

attend we can report back to the field trip sure yeah I’ll go I’m in okay will it include

2:50:48

lunch yeah Tony we’ll call Tony Green okay Sabrina I’ll go all right

2:50:56

we all set with that anyone else have new business Mr Canty

2:51:02

um just to build on a theme I mentioned during the scheduled discussion or

2:51:09

conversation given that town meeting warrant is on

2:51:15

the horizon I know it’s a couple months away but given our town our meeting schedule if there’s any articles that

2:51:22

any of us either individually or as a group want to see on the fall 10 meeting

2:51:27

warrant we should probably start working on that stuff sooner rather than later

2:51:32

because that time will continue to get closer and closer as we progress so just

2:51:39

to put it in people’s mind that we should start working on that because we’re trying to give other folks this

2:51:46

schedule so they’ll start doing it and we should hold ourselves to the same standard as we hold others

2:51:52

that’s all Mr blessed I want to say something real

2:51:58

quick I apologize for not being there Memorial Day I never missed that event it’s a

2:52:04

very important event and I especially wanted a publicly congratulate Bob Davidson I I really wanted to be there

2:52:13

to uh to to see him shake his hand he is just a credit to this town he’s a

2:52:19

great man great father raised a great family and you know he manages that uh

2:52:25

that museum down there he’s very proud of it and I know you’re as somebody that

2:52:31

serves you must be real proud of what he does I know I am and I’m not even a veteran so I just Bob if you’re watching

2:52:40

I just want you’re a great man and I congratulate you you deserve that award thank you

2:52:49

Mr Mahoney Mr chairman I’m sorry Mr Canty uh shook my memory

2:52:56

so Kevin is referencing anything potential articles for town meeting and getting

2:53:01

them in in a timely manner so obviously the last two weeks has been significant

2:53:08

votes taken at the zoning board of appeals and the planning board with respect to a structure

2:53:13

down the street on the waterfront okay and that’s created a lot of angst in the

2:53:19

community with respect to the historical district so I’m just suggesting through the chair that

2:53:25

maybe the chair of the historical district commission could come in for three to five minutes and give the board

2:53:31

an update as to where that committee stands with a potential Tom meeting article

2:53:39

on expanding that District because that’s something that we should

2:53:44

be doing sooner rather than later like 20 years ago okay right but that being

2:53:51

said I did I was at the Zona board of appeals last night and I know exactly

2:53:56

the case that you’re talking about and I’ve all called Lee Hartman earlier in the week and got planning board numbers

2:54:04

and so on and Board of Appeals and we’re gonna sit down and have a little

2:54:10

get together throw some ideas around and I’m going to bring it back to the

2:54:15

board and see what shoes all think they’re going to go back to their bullets I’m hoping and I haven’t reached

2:54:21

out to Tim Grandy yet but I wasn’t the zba but Tim’s on the radar and um

2:54:28

see if we can’t you know I don’t know what we’re going to come up with and and Derek will be there I hope

2:54:34

um to to see what their recommendations are or what our recommendations are we’ll all work together whether it be

2:54:39

committee or whatever but I don’t think we should you know force it like just to get it into town meeting but that the

2:54:46

historical district zoning changes height changes we need to start

2:54:52

somewhere I know it’s all zoning is a big deal and it’s very messy and it hasn’t been

2:54:57

touched in quite a while but with our building department of whatever we come up with whatever the suggestions are

2:55:03

that we all sit down and and get the ball rolling and then at the end of whatever we all agree on

2:55:10

all our boards um then let’s do it let’s start it but I think it’s something that definitely

2:55:16

needs to be addressed and I’m all in so and I think this whole board is

2:55:23

um that’s only time Derek so that is on the radar and we’ll have a

2:55:31

discussion on it in a little bit like in a couple weeks okay anybody have any old business

2:55:44

second all those in favor that’s the unanimous thank you for

2:55:51

watching we’ll see you next time thank you