Agenda – Select Board Agenda June 13 2023

Official Minutes – Plymouth Select Board Minutes 6-13-23

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that’s all that matters right your mother name is Charlie

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welcome to the select board meeting Tuesday June 13 2023 please join the

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board in the pledge to the flag I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation

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under God indivisible with liberty justice for all

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is there anyone wishing to speak on the public comment

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so we’re going to move on to the first public hearing an alteration of premises for Dylan’s

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Pub Incorporated doing business as Dylan’s Local 21 South Park Ave Colin

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Dillon manager in accordance with chapter let’s make sure yep in accordance with chapter 138

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of the Massachusetts general laws as amended notices hereby given in a public hearing will be held at Plymouth Town

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Hall 26 Court Street on Tuesday June 13 2023 at 601 pm to consider the

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application for an alteration of premises for Dylan’s Pub Incorporated doing business as Dylan’s Local 21 South

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Park Ave hold above annual alcohol restaurant license uh Colin Dylan manager’s description of

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the premises is as follows dining area kitchen area office and storage space

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applicant seeks to remove outside deck area one men’s restroom and one woman’s

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restroom two entrances one in the front one on the side applicant seeks to add

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and close back porch area is there anyone from Dillons local here

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that would like to speak or is anyone on waiting up to come on

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through the chair if anybody through Zoom would like to participate please

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press the raise hand icon at the bottom of your screen if you are via Zoom

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okay thank you anyone wishing to speak in favor of this application

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anyone wishing to speak in opposition

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okay I’m going to close this down and bring it back to the board for a motion

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chairman mm-hmm is this what is this in the future is

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this what he’s done I know they’ve done some Renovations there

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do we know them this is a new proposal

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it must be an expansion if you look at the haven’t been in a while the last time I

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was able was for the parade but so there’s no issues with the building department everything’s going through

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I I mean I could certainly verify with the Building Commissioner but typically this does not get in front of the select

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board without all fired and inspectional services sign on

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so so we forgot that found good well I have no problem he’s a good operator you know that’s good to see him

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expanding I said well I have no problem with this

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little emotion I’ll make a motion that we approve I’ll second that motion motion by Mr Canty

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second by Mr Blitzer all those in favor Mr bletzer aye Mr helm

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yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney yes and I’ll one

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abstention myself

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in accordance with well okay I’ll just check that off it’s another alteration of premises and

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this is for the Cabby Shack in accordance with chapter 138 of the Massachusetts general laws as amended

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notices hereby given that a public hearing will be held at Plymouth Town Hall 26 Court Street on Tuesday June 13

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2023 at 602 pm to consider the application for an alteration of

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premises from Cabby Shack Incorporated doing business as Cabby Shack Town off

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hold of annual all alcohol restaurant license Clyde abrinia’s manager

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description of the premises is as follows single-story wood frame building

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fronting on Tom Offroad two side entrances four rear entrances entrances

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outdoor deck eating and Patio area adjoining existing license premises on

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the east side of the property open air roof deck with will be used for service

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of food and beverages applicants seeks to add additional outdoor seating in the

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gordoned off parking lot basically he wants to add the the seating in in the

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parking area of like he did during Colvin there’s a tent there and I did do

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a walk about the site on Sunday I just to be a little familiar with it and so

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that’s what I saw is there anyone here on cabby shark’s

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behalf would you like to say a few words or Okay so

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all right so it’s pretty vanilla that’s what he wants to do so he also is in the executive session

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later on uh Felice all right I can speak to

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you so yeah I also went down and uh and we toured the premises and

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and what he’s doing he he’s trying to uh beautify that area he’s been doing it

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for the last few years but before he spends money he wants to get you know the okay he went to the zoning

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the Planning and Zoning both to prove that and he had to pay into the pack and

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fund which he did and it looks it’s going to look a lot better than it looked last year but he’s got plans to

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to Really Spruce it up if we give him the okay and and I’d like to see that down there you know and he’s smarty you

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know until he gets the okay you know it’s tough to uh it’s tough to spend a lot of money down

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there if it’s not going to be a permanent thing so again I believe he’s a good operator

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he’s good for the Waterfront and so I and I like what I saw uh uh Sunday

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I like what I saw so uh I’m all for this for this just like Dylan’s on for this

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proposal

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any questions from board members or comments from anyone else

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bowling John so I this proposal he had this public Hearing

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in the executive session they’re intertwined correct they will be yeah so if we do uh someone one of the members

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makes the motion I’m hoping that it’s contingent upon the lease sure yes absolutely Mr chairman thank you so I

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can make I if anybody is and have a car I can make that motion right now that we we okay this and uh I know the season

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has started so I know it’s uh they know they want to get this thing uh

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wrapped up so they can start operating because I mean it’s just starting to get real busy down there so I’ll make the

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motion that we approve this outside and then continue on WE with the least the

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lease extension or whatever we’re going to do with the lease so

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I’ll second that motion okay motion by Mr bletzer second by Mr

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Helm discussion all those in favor Mr Mahoney yes

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Mr Canty yes Mr Helm yes Mr blood sir yes myself yes

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unanimous and for the record I do not sell Cabby Shack vegetables

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thank you okay thank you for coming

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all right moving on to the next public hearing uh it’s a pouring permit dirty water

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Distillery in accordance with chapter 138 of the Massachusetts general laws as amended

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notices hereby given that a public can will be held at Plymouth Town Hall 26 Court Street on Tuesday June 13 2023 at

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603 pm to consider the application for an alteration of premises for a 19-h

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pouring permit for a distiller dirty water Distillery LLC 49 Cottage Park

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Circle Bay 2 holder of a farmer Distillery pouring permit Petrus

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as owners Jr PhD manager description of premises is as follows single level 4

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500 square foot light manufacturing space approximately three thousand

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square feet set aside and separated for production and 1500 square feet Public

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Access Tasting Room restrooms access Etc

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update sprinkle the system 2023 with masonry firewalls separating adjacent

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tenants two entrances and exits applicants seeks to add 19 H Poorman

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permit to Allied to allow combined use of dirty water Distillery Tap Room to be

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used to serve beer brewed by the dirty water Distillery dueling business as the

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AMA Nama in addition to serving their distilled Goods so it’s pretty self-explanatory but I

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believe this is our first commitment it’s an actual Distillery and a place where you can consume correct and

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always was it the states well I know this Distillery was the one on Water Street Water Street and now they’re

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moving to Cottage I believe I thought you could consume on Water Street but I could be wrong

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yeah you want to come up here please say something or you want to just

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that’s why we were on Water Street for a little more than 10 years

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um and about five years ago we got a pouring permit for The Distillery we had also started a small Brewery

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operation separately and we had to have physically separated tap rooms because they weren’t owned by

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the same LLC okay so in moving to cordage park moved ownership of the

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brewery to The Distillery so they’re both owned by the same entity which is the requirement for the 19h so that you

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could share a tap room so you can come down to cordage park and have a hard

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Seltzer cocktail or a beer okay because I knew this was a new

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application for the I think it was for the state at this time yeah it took a little longer for you and that’s why

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almost a year yeah that’s why I brought it up because I knew and could you just identify yourself for the record so

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patras appizonas Jr the manager and owner and

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to just out of curiosity did you leave Water Street voluntarily and what is

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going in the space that you’re vacating um you don’t have to answer no no

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um Water Street the property was owned by Al Eddie um who is the guy who runs habilitation

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the access Vans um and he owned that property together

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with his father-in-law and some other Old-Timers that wanted out so they sold

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the the property 10 Water Street and I think it’s

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either 11 or 9 that you know the space across the street um to a developer and I can’t remember

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his name but he didn’t he wanted us to stay

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but he didn’t want to make any improvements or fixes until we signed another lease um

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I just we kind of came to an impasse and decided that A Change Is changes for the

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better so that’s you know so now we’re in corded Park we’re next door to 1620.

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parking is no longer an issue all right thank you

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any other questions from the board at this time I’d like to open it up is

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anybody wishing to speak in favor of this application anyone wishing to speak in opposition

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seeing Nano close to him and bring it back to the board for a motion

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moved by Mr Mahoney second by Mr bletzer all those in favor Mr bletza yes Mr Helm

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yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney yes and myself yes good luck

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and thank you okay we’ve got additional licenses the

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Holy Ghost Mayflower Brewing Company veteran services fresh squeezed craft and scoop and ice

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cream dirty water Distillery then we have a few permits Holy Ghost

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society and history administrative notes any notes or concerns with anything I’ve

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mentioned if not we can move them all

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motion to move as a group second

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just discussion motion by Mr bless excuse me second by Mr Canty

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discussion follows in favor Mr bletzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney and myself

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yes unanimous moving on to select board open discussion new business

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Mr Helm I would just like to make a comment um

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I think that didn’t we I thought we did administrative notes

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didn’t we just move this yeah we did yeah that was part of the group

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um I didn’t really have been doing that so I’d like to uh let’s talk about number two

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again okay so all right hold on a second oh I see what you’re saying number two okay I

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I did mention it but to reconsider this sorry we can make let’s let’s do our new business stuff

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all right and then we’ll go all right go ahead Mr Helm no problem uh yeah I would

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just you know I mean it’s just an observation um and I don’t know how the board wants to deal with this moving forward but I

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do think that if we have a public hearing and I’m not talking about licenses an administrative note it’s

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it’s kind of disturbing to me I don’t know about anybody else that this is

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like the second week in a row we have had people who who are involved business

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involved in a public hearing who do not come to the public hearing

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and yet we vote to allow whatever they’re asking for with no ability to

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ask any questions or or anything and and I think that I think

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that in my mind I I think we should make a policy and it’s up to the chair and

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whoever else that if you do not come to your public hearing then it is deferred

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until the next meeting or a time when you do decide to come to the public hearing

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just that’s just how I feel well we had three and we had two people yes really

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just the one that did it yeah yeah just one but but um last week I believe was it Ocho Ocho

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Cafe did not come to to theirs um which you know

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um um okay so that’s just I mean and it’s would you be okay if they were available by

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um Zoom oh absolutely absolutely that’s fine but to just not show up kind of

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seems to me that getting something at a public hearing done by the board would be

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integral to the success of your business and to just kind of not come I think has

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um there should be ramifications let me put it that way okay

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you know Harry I 100 agree with what you’re saying and I voted on uh Dillons

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just because I’m familiar with the operation and uh that’s why I was comfortable but you’re right and when

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it’s in operation we don’t know about uh you know there’s we may have some

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questions in fact uh I might have had you I I would like to

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be able to last week I had some questions last week but I still voted and I shouldn’t have so I agree can we

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uh can we make that a policy uh Derek Lisa yeah with the Pledge on the board

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if you if you’d like we can notify all the applicants that they must be present at the night of the hearing I have a

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representative present yeah it’s been happening a lot lately and it

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I don’t think it was always like that so John you can probably uh confirm that do you agree the board

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agrees that we should they should somebody should be present so I’ll make a motion right now that when folks are

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coming before us for license uh permits uh

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alteration of premises what uh anything that requires a public

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hearing I I wouldn’t say that I don’t think we need a motion but we understand the

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intention of the board I prefer we stay away from motions in the new business yes but I’m happy to um to relay the

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information like clearly okay everyone’s not in their head and we can make that a policy sure okay thank you

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okay anything else on a new business letters

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new business okay I’d like to try the request for the town

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manager uh is there any way is there any app funds available uh I I walk the sidewalks in downtown

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Plymouth and you know I see I’m seeing a lot of trash in businesses

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and and I’m seeing uh the sidewalks

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could be cleaner is there any way we can get if you could look into uh requiring

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a machine that could go up and down the sidewalks early in the morning and clean those sidewalks and then maybe we can

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talk to the the the business owners about making sure if they have to put trash in

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the front you know put it somewhere where you know the tourists the residents don’t have to walk by walk by

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Sunday and I saw trash I’m not going to mention the businesses but it’s there all the time and also

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you know I used to run a place on Main Street and we always at the end of the night we swept out front in the morning it was

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the either the cleaner or the gay bartender swept the front uh if you have

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access to a hose hose it you know keep it clean we we got to work together but I think we could really uh set an

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example if we if we could acquire a machine and do that I don’t know what are your thoughts on that I can tell you

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I want to say it was approximately two months ago the DPW they had beta tested a machine that can clean the sidewalks

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they didn’t take it on Court Street so I think if we were going to pursue that we probably would want to bring it down the

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Court Street to see how well that would work certain areas of Court Street are very narrow so we want to make sure we

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can use that and this machine actually did have a power washer on as well that we thought we could use to help clean up

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some of the graffiti so that machine was approximately a hundred and ten thousand dollars but it’s something that we can

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continue to pursue like I said bring it down here one more time and see if it would actually work on Court Street I mean we’re a tourist town do we have

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apple funds available to it we do I have apple funds because that would be the

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certain time manager had met with the finance director just last week tomorrow to go through the Opera funds the

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intention is to bring a set of requests before the select board next Tuesday for

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the use of someone’s Opera Furniture so this is a a good uh good timing on this request that’s right and it’s exactly

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what Apple funds are fought to okay great thanks

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anyone else in a new business letters

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all business you want to take the motion to reconsider at this time

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sure I’d make a motion to reconsider um the group motion that was made to

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approve all the licenses permits and administrative notes as a group I voted in the affirmative

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second to reconsider motion by Mr Canty second by Mr bletter

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we need to do a vote on this right I am assuming Mr bletzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr

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Canty yes Mr Mahoney yes myself yes

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Mr Blaster you had a question yes and number two uh

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the outside the outdoor dining uh

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I saw I’m trying to find out where it is but

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it’s a I’m concerned with the tables on the sidewalk in that space

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there they have a patio already so I don’t really know what the need is to have

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uh have that if if they’re going to do an apocalypse I could see but I don’t see first of all I don’t

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think they have takeout pack and I don’t believe the pgtc allowed that for them so I I see tables on both sides of the

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sidewalk and I I just don’t it’s going to be with staff working out there it’s going to be too congested I don’t think

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it’ll be ADA Compliant and I don’t think it’s necessary they have that patio

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already and I just think it’s it’s uh it’s not going to be ADA compliance it’s

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going to be a problem that’s side work I know last year it was it was it was blocked off it was basically blocked off

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you couldn’t even get through there so people are walking dogs they’re going right through where Foods being served

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you know and so I just I don’t think it’s necessary so I’m not in favor of that

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well I have to agree with Mr bletzer and I apologize for not picking up that this

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was in the uh um the notes that we needed to work on because I I you know

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my experience on the outdoor dining and you know and the reasons for moving to

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the outdoor dining program that we have from the original outdoor dining that was very expedient during the the covet

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during the very beginning of covet one of the areas that was problematic was

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um Sam Diego’s and it was their use of the sidewalk space um it was problematic for the residents

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and pedestrians um the way that it is set up here you

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really can’t help but unless you’re eating there feel like

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you’re walking through people’s burritos I mean really it really does feel like that and I mean I think if they’re

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serious about wanting some sidewalk space they should come back with an adjusted drawing where it’s only on one

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side and gives much more room and free flow through you know because this this

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thing of tables on either side where people get to have to walk through the middle just doesn’t work

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Anthony Mr chairman we have um someone by the name of James

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um that would like to speak James you can unmute yourself

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um [Music]

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we were in front of me last week and I apologize

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um it didn’t come up in our liquor license hearing but um the existing patio in the front of

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the restaurant is more than adequate for for our needs so the parking spots were I think it was they were applied for

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because that they had existing permission to use them but we don’t intend to use them

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sidewalk the other sidewalk you don’t need it

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okay James thank you very much and again I I as I said that last week I wish you

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luck you’re gonna you get a great reputation down the cape and I hope you uh can keep going up here so uh I want

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to welcome you thank you yeah and we’re looking forward to you bringing a crisp to Plymouth

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I appreciate the kind of work we’re looking forward to it as well thank you

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okay so I I have to ask this question are there any other restaurants down

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there that are using the sidewalks or what’s the policy going forward I mean

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so the board previously approved kkd’s back in February or March and their plan

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did include outdoor dining spaces that were in the sidewalk so the board has

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previously approved kkds for outdoor now if that’s something the board wants to change going forward like you just we’re

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going to make tonight that was a decision you’re going to make we’d have to do that next year but but I think if you look at the

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delineation of use of the sidewalk it’s one side it’s not like in this case

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which they’re not going to do which is both sides so I don’t think it’s correct here yeah you’re not going to find any

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restaurant that’s causing pedestrians to walk through the middle of people people’s meals so that was we were very

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specific about that on the outdoor dining and it’s carried forward what happens next year is a whole other

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matter um so in Mr Jim and in the meantime uh I

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don’t know who’s job it is to to enforce but but I was

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down there Sunday and there was a a couple of small tables with the same which was you know I’m not going to say

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which business it was but it was it wasn’t I know that wasn’t ADA Compliant so I had no problem with the two little

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tables but the sign was people couldn’t I mean if somebody’s in a wheelchair would have been tough getting through so

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you know I think we got to be consistent on what we’re doing so I’m not sure who’s who’s tasked with that with that

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assignments but I just I’m pro-business and I just want to say that the reason why I want

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to make the sidewalks is inviting as possible is because we have to we’re responsible for all businesses not just

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buys and restaurants which I want to help all the buyers and restaurants but there’s retail businesses that need

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decide what business people come and walk in and looking in the stores and shop and so we got to make sure we keep

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those sidewalks clear for all the businesses thank you

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um agreed with all points made I think what would be helpful on our end um and maybe we do this after the summer

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season all the apocalypse the approvals have been issued it sounds like all the

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sidewalk dining approvals have been issued at this point but we have a

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number of restaurants that are using the sidewalk for different purposes

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some of them have tableside dining like San Diego’s did last year on the

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sidewalk service at the table and then there’s other places that just use

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tables and chairs for takeout and so and then we have the packlets so it would be

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important for us to get to work with the board and get some clear guidance of what’s going to be the policy moving

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forward are we going to allow for take tables and chairs for takeout

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and not allow it for a table service dining so those are the

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things I think when they have to work through for next summer

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well I said it when we started with kovid and we went outside and we had the

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outdoor dining that the day would come and to remind everybody it was because of covert that we had

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dining in the street and dining on the sidewalks and so um you know we’ll take

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it up for next year as a board but I you know I’m going to be pretty

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well I want to be very honest I’m not going to support sidewalk dining when they have the opportunity to use

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apocalypse I mean that’s you know in other words they want the free table but they don’t want to pay for the

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pocket I mean I’ll call it like I see it that’s what I see and you know covet is

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over at the moment or winding down so um that’s just me I think that go to

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the apocalypse but we’ll we’ll put it on as a docket item and go over it when time comes I hope

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Mr Helm uh Mr Cornell I would I would I’m in total agreement um with putting it on as a as a docket

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item um as you know as the select board liaison and somebody helped create the

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outdoor dining committee um I do feel it is time that the board

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examine that you know it was it was created at a

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time of need and expediency to blend the need and expediency with with an outdoor

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dining concept that we could all be proud of so I think we are transitioning to something else to a different time so

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I would be in total agreement and support of bringing that up as a discussion item to how to move forward

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Mr chairman Mr bellezza one last thing for me on that is when I was out John

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I’m going to give a history lesson like I’ve taken the edge out of your book when I was on the pgdc BG DC when this

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first started we actually donated the packlets because it’s with with tasks

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with those those are packing spaces that PG DC is responsible for and we sent the

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letter that the second year when the packlets came to fruition Tatum

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still it was really the big uh the big motivator for that and we had sent the

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letter to the town manager at the time who was new Derek saying that we’re in full support of the

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Apocalypse we don’t have a problem but we we were adamant about having no

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tables on the sidewalk and the letter said that we we had talked to all the businesses the retail the that’s when

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the two-way one-way stuff was going on too and so the pgd well the letter said

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that with no problem giving packet spaces but we don’t want the sidewalks to be uh to be to to anything tables on

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the sidewalks because because the businesses the retail businesses were not were not happy with that they wanted

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the side Works to stay free and clear with no problem with the pocket spaces

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so I I agree but what all as I’m saying is that there’s a third factor in this there’s tables and chairs that are on

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the sidewalk that are that food establishments use for takeout and so that’s that’s the X Factor I

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don’t think anybody’s ever talked about there’s a number of food extensions that have tables and chairs on the sidewalk

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that people go in they grab a sandwich they grab a dessert and they go sit it on the on the side so as you said we

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need a policy exactly so a question for you Derek um are those

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restaurants also involved in the parklet outdoor dining concept they are not

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that’s what I had a feeling so I know I know who you’re talking about

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okay so I guess Derek if you could please um talk it out with Lisa and and see

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what kind of time frame so we can take this up as a board have a docket item and give Lisa time so when the new

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rental or whatever it is sure all right thank you good okay so we need

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I can’t remember now if we voted on two again or not no we need a motion okay I

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would make a motion uh that we approve the licenses permits and administrative notes one and three as one group

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oh second motion by Mr Canty second by Mr bletza

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discussion follows in favor Mr bletzer yes Mr Helm

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yes Mr Canty yes Mr Mahoney yes in my in myself yes unanimous as far as number

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two uh I would I would make a motion if

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per the owner uh what he just said to us that we will

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approve outdoor dining in his in his patios outside patio which I don’t even

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think we have to approve it we don’t have to do that so uh so

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so we don’t need emotion there’s no no just strike number two yeah strike

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number two you know prayer the with the information the uh the uh Jim gave us the owner that he’s not going to use at

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the sidewalks or parking spaces I think if I if I think we should make a motion and

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then just vote against it yeah yeah but we should make the motion motions are made in the affirmative so

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we should still make the motion to approve and then just vote against it

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I’ve never been a chairman so go ahead I make a motion that we approve

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administrative note too second motion by Mr Canty second by Mr Helm Mr bletter no

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Mr Helm no Mr Canty no Mr Mahoney no and myself no

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alrighty now do we have any more old business

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okay I’d like to adjourn the Open Session and then we’re going to go into executive session

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motion to adjourn second motion by Mr Plaza second by Mr

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helm follows in favor Mr bletzer yes Mr Helm yes Mr Canty yes and Mr Mahoney

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yes thank you for watching have a good week everyone we’ll see you next week